It's been about three weeks from the last meeting and It has been a very nice little break after the March elections and April May budgets and workshops that we had. However the peoples' work never stops and so we had a interesting meeting last Tuesday night.
I will point out that it was interesting to see many of the "frequent attendees" in the audience. especially when it was our new town administrator's first night. A kind of meet and greet the regulars you may say.
The big topic of the evening was the extension of the sewer to shutes corner for the new development ( Gas station, bank, and pharmacy ). In doing so, there will be about 8-10 home owners affected. 4 of them MUST tie into the system because of the age of their present private septic systems. A betterment fee of $5000 was proposed of the cost per homeowner for this service. We did have a homeowner who did not like the fact that he would have to tie in at that cost and was concerned about how to pay for this improvement.
In my question, I asked Tom Carrier how much a replacement leach field/septic system would be without this public sewer improvement. Answer-$7500-$12,000
My thinking was why complain about public sewer at 5K vs replacement private at a larger cost? The homeowner would no doubt improve his home value.
Don't get me wrong I do understand that it can be hard to come up with an extra 5K however the town will do payments ( with interest) but the improvement in home value will be almost instant.
However we get into this subsidy thing the last time we did sewer improvements and swore we would stop this practice- Well not that night- this CAN NOT keep going on like this ( a motion was made to cut the fee to 4K with the rest being subsidised by the rate payers) and I basically caved because i didn't want to jeopardize the commercial project for short money. I won't do it any more though you may hear in the future " YOU DID IT FOR THEM WHY NOT FOR THESE" and quite frankly that will lead us down a very slippery slope.
Also the Well ordinance was re-vamped- I voted for no changes because i believe that buyers of new homes should have the right to test for whatever they want to. why should government tell builders what they must test for. it just adds another layer of bureaucracy. we don't need that do we?
The Police dept was awarded a grant which they will purchase equipment with- That's a good thing.
And then the always entertaining public forum. Mr Benson started the night off with the never ending battle of Manning St. seems like this goes like the energizer bunny it keeps going and going and going. Not to be the only voice on that subject Mr Dimmock spoke in favor of it and then Mr Cooper. Mr Cooper wants all to know that the air quality in the downtown will be gone away once we put Manning st in. Folks, this is the most laughable thing i have seen since being a councilor. If you believe this, I got some great buildable land to sell you in the everglades.. cheap....and who of us thinks that Albert Dimmock is the expert on this subject please speak now.. I mean, who writes this stuff? Funny.
One new face had asked for us to look into a noise ordinance for the town. We will look into that as she has good points as well as others on the subject.
And then council requests- When I brought up the fact that the town could sweep the side walks in the downtown of the trash and cigarette butts, Mr Metts immediately looked at me and said " what about my business, is anyone coming to sweep over at Clam Haven" in a facetious manner.
NO RICK your business is a private business that you need to sweep yourself- the sidewalks of downtown is OWNED BY THE TOWN!- yes it would be nice if the business owners would help out i agree, however by turning the other cheek the sidewalks stay dirty and I for one think using a couple of seasonal workers to sweep for a couple hours is a good investment in our trying to get a vibrant downtown being more attractive. Just my thoughts, what do you think?
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Another cheap shot by Fairbanks, taking shots at the Conservation Commission. She is rapidly losing all credibility. She lives near 93 but expects acres of conservation land nearby? Move to East Derry if you want open space. She will get nothing done if she continues to be a loose cannon.
I would agree with the earlier post, Fairbanks antics were certainly the lowlight of the evening.
In less than a year and a half on the council she’s shown a complete lack of respect and professionalism towards virtually everyone except councilor Coyle. Her petty bickering has been directed towards everyone from fellow councilors, town departments and their heads, various boards and committees, not to mention 2 (and I’m sure, soon to be 3) town administrators.
There’s nothing wrong with arguing legitimate issues. But frankly, her issues are rarely legitimate as her Tuesday night tirade clearly demonstrates, and it’s even rarer that she make her arguments civil or professionally.
If she is unable treat the people she has to interact with on a regular basis as a councilor with the respect and professionalism they deserve, then perhaps she should consider stepping down from her position.
The council could be getting a lot more of the towns business done if they didn’t have to waste time on this kind of stuff.
...The Conservation Commission should vote to censure Fairbanks (there may not be any meat to it, but at least it would publically highlight her reckless and irresponsible nature), assuming the Council does not have the will to do so.
I think Councilor Fairbanks should move to Chester where they tolerate this behavior from their elected officials.
Derry should NOT have to put up with this!
Is there a provision within the Charter or State Law for the citizens to recall a Town Council Member?
anonymous 7:15,
I'm not sure. Will have to check the RSA's from state on their website http://www.state.nh.us
There is NO provision for recall in the Derry Town Charter, though if the Council (or petitioners) want(s) to put one before the voters, they could as it is not a change in the FORM of goverment.
Let me be clear that this is NOT an endorsement of using it against Councilor Fairbanks and I for one would fight that action.
Not sure if it went through the first time......
While there is currently no provision for recall in the Charter, it is NOT illegal to add one. Most other Towns with Charters (I recall Hooksett, and I believe Durham as well) have recall provisions in their charters.
It would require either a citizens petition OR the Council could write and place such an article on the ballot for citizen approval at next March's election.
I do not agree with those that complain about Councilor Fairbanks, I believe she is doing EXACTLY the job she was elected to do, but I did want to at least clarify the process for recall in charters.
(FYI: You can NOT recall School Board members, BTW, as they have no Charter and communities w/o charters have no recourse for recall, except, I believ, among the board members themselves, IOW, the public cannot recall elected officials within their term)
Assuming a definition of recalling that would weigh the fact that an election would be overturned, I would support a provision to be added to the Charter for recalling a Councilor per the previous post.
I do not support recalling Councilor Fairbanks – her actions and performance have not met the threshold I feel would be needed to discard the peoples will.
That said Paul H., was she EXACTLY elected to baselessly attack the integrity of good people who give freely of their time for the town's work and praise her supporters for the exactly the same behavior? The hypocrisy is stunning.
She’s made it crystal clear – its east versus west; perhaps that’s what you like about her.
Anonymous:
First off, without identification, it's hard to respond fairly. I would like to know what your situation is.
Frankly, I don't care about East vs West, and actually if you don't like that battle, then would you also complain about Brian's "downtown" bias?
Perhaps what you're saying is that we should eliminate District Councilors and elect ALL Councilors as At-Large positions. (Durham and Londonderry do this, Durham with 9 members and Londonderry with 5). I would actually support such a move....The ONLY reason for District Councilors (as I understand it) was NOT for "Neighborhood" representation per se, but simply to insure we did not have 7 Councilors that all lived in the SAME Neighborhood.
As for my position, I only supported the East Derry Fire Precinct because is was less expensive for taxpayers and ran just as well as Derry Fire. I believe the large increase in DFD budgets the last 2 years has proven my view correct, but I am the first to admit there's no going backwards at this point.
Always, then and now (as a State Rep) I have always done things from a "Taxpayer First" standpoint. If that makes me bias, so be it...I think I've been consistant in my positions over the years...
-Paul
Paul,
What are the reasons you think I have a bias for "Downtown". I think I have been equally fair in all my votes for the "over all" good of Derry.
If I have fought about issues facing the downtown is was from the standpoint of making the whole town benefit and not just my district. In fact, I view the downtown as something everyone should enjoy and be proud of. It is the gateway and first impressions outsiders will have of Derry ( unless the read those divisive headlines from the papers)
Paul,
Sorry, I really prefer to remain annonymous. I live in District 1 and have a young family. The town of Derry will play a key role in in raising my children.
I think that your thought of At-Large Councilors only is a very strong one.
But recognizing the reality of our current form, I would also expect Brian, Bev, Brent, and Mrs Fairbanks to represent their districts - absolutely no problem with that.
If Brian can make the case both publicly and through professional interpersonal relations outside the publics' eye, good for him, his district and the town.
One example of that, from my perspective, is his making a strong case against paving Manning Street.
Contrast that to Mrs. Fairbanks whose FIRST instinct was to publicly question the integrity of the entire Conservation Commission (7/10/07). Only later did she get more specific - questioning the integrity of a few selected people.
Because of the people she has publicaly torched in this and other issues and as a matter of normal human instincts, my gut tells me that many people have shut down genuinely listening to her. She has dimished her own effectiveness.
Even if I'm wrong about Brian's effectiveness on Manning Street, the contrast is pretty clear to me, in paving or not paving Manning Street, he has not gotten personal - although, he has taken a few personal jabs.
With Fairbanks making baseless attacks and calling out people by name, you’ll probably find a lot more people wanting to remain anonymous. I’m not one of them, but that’s the kind of atmosphere this BS creates.
As to Fairbanks doing what she was elected to do, are you serious Paul? Raising questions as to why there is more conservation land in the east than the west might qualify, and I would defend her right to raise that question, but coming out and saying there has been a concerted effort by the commission to make purchases for personal and financial gain verges on slander.
What’s worse even when she’s proven to be wrong she still continues her baseless personal attacks. In this week’s Nutfield and Derry News I continue to get attacked along with Paul D. and now my wife as well, on the Worthley Rd. issue by her and her henchman Burtis. Never mind that the committee wrapped up its work 6 months ago, never mind that I don’t live on the part of the road the committee recommended be made public, never mind the fact that I never voted on it and the recommendation came from Atty. Boutin, and never mind the fact that the road committee’s work has been for all intents and purposes, disregarded. We certainly don’t want to let the facts get in the way of a good smear campaign.
It doesn’t really bother me, I’ve dealt with a lot worse than Burtis and Fairbanks. But someday soon, her attacks are going to force the resignation of a quality person, be it on a board or commission, department head, or administrator. And the quality of people we get on these volunteer boards will be severely diminished because most people just won’t want to deal with the crap that seems to go with serving on them.
Just a simple question or two: Wasn't Mr. Burtis and the company he worked for part of that ugly caper with the trailor aside the fire station? Why doesn't he come clean about this as his motive for being anti-everything?
His most recent primary target besides NFW is the Council majority; though with hardly any 4-3 votes, he can't even define who the majority is.
As he positions himself to run for Council, let's remember this ---Mr. Burtis wants Fairbanks in the majority.
Sorry to spoil everyones dinner.
I don't know about the last post, but I did catch Mr. Burtis's latest letter in the Nutfield.
He holds New Jersey conservation up as an authority, i.e., something Derry should emmulate.
'nuf said.
Wow...a veritable "good people" convention ganging up on councilor fairbanks and mr burtis. kind of begs the question, are you really "good" or just a bit incestuous and unable to see that they may be right?
like it or not detractors, both fairbanks and burtis have done a great deal in the execution of their respective independent roles to incidently expose and question the shoddiness that had become the hallmark of much of derry's decision making process. go along, to get along is ov-ah in derry folks. the last two elections proved that. keep up the good work fairbanks and burtis. the sophmorically named and self-ordained "good people" that created many of the problems the town now faces don't like the spotlight you have turned on them, so you know you are doing things right.
With all those big words from the last annonymous, could it be that Mr. B has joined our ranks (of Annonymouses)? If so, welcome aboard!
But even if we have a newbe annonymous, perhaps he/she can explain who appointed Mr. B to the "role" he speaks of? Has anyone ever voted for him? Did he earn that role through his lengthy and exemplary community service? Did Mr. B assign himself to be Derry's savior? Or dare I ask - could it be that Mr. B is working in political concert with a neighbor of his?
At least Mrs. F can accurately say she was voted into a "role", though her district relfected the largest loss (120 vote differential) of any district in the most recent election on the Charter changes THAT SHE SUPPORTED.
And that my friends is a clear indication that she is out of touch with real people of District 1.
at the request of the previous poster i will attempt to "dumb down" my response a bit and use "stupider" words to make him/or her feel more at home. firstlyest, i ain't not mr burtis. secondestly, i don't thinkst mr burtis answers to no one of his neighbor folks. i reckons dis due to his being quite learned in his letters.
thirdest, i seems to remembers mr burtis workin' behind the scenes wit da fire folks recently, gittin her done, for all ours benefits. fourthlyest and mostest im-po-tent-ly-est, any "citizen", and i means any "citizen" dat takes time aweigh from theres normal days chores to express an opinion, do a good deed or to shine a headlight at a politician and dat politician reacts like a startled deer is barkin' up da righteous tree. dis type citizen is fillin' da most im-po-tent "role" and dat's all I's got ta say bout dat.
LOL! Outstanding! Really very funny.
And we now know what Mr. B's role is - to "express an opinion". ("opinion", being the operative word).
And we also note that like a good politician, you didn't answer any of the questions (about Mr B's appointment to his role).
Let me throw in this one that you also won't answer - with his "opinions", who is Mr. B accountable to? Perhaps to all of us dummies?
There in lies one of his problems.
Great job otherwise; I really did get a chuckle.
Hey annon 5:27,
I think your on to something - surely Burtis cannot have a problem with other people assigning themselves the role of "Burtis-watchdog".
Afterall, they have the right to their opinion also.
anon 5:27...so happy you are capable of seeing the humor in responding to you, though i am still feeling a little light headed for my effort.
as for your most recent attempt to discount mr burtis, by maintaining it is only by virtue of currently "holding a town position" that a citizen can express a thought or offer an observation, i would suggest you change your game plan to adjust to the new realities in derry. gone are the days when townspeople are going to sit back and defer to local politicians judgement without asking questions (just check the recent elections results or better yet ask phyliss katsakories or jim mceachern.) given the town has been allowed to grow recklessly, with no rhyme or reason, so too has the need for current residents to demand answers going forward. this new and growing interest by residents is only going to bring more pressure to the same old, same old derry pol's, that to this day, still!, pathetically rely upon the "that's how we've always done it" defense. no anon 5:27, SOP's have changed in town, get used to the questions and new ideas from more and more non-office holders. there's a new concept in town named accountability.
oh yes, before i forget, someone told me today that mr burtis sat on the planning board for a time so i guess by using your logic(?) this annoying little fact now gives him credibility and the right to express his opinion ...RIGHT?
Ok everyone,
Lets remember one thing. First and foremost lets not forget that we are all Americans. Let us thank God that we have those rights to debate the issues and let us not forget that many have paid the ultimate sacrafice so that we may do so. Debating the issues is the most important thing we should remember. Lets have respect for one another and try and solve problems that we can all identify with.
I would like for this to be a forum to share ideas and talk the issues and really do not want it to become the Derry News hotline on-line. Honest criticism about elected officials should be expected as long as we don't make personal attacks. We must all share in the town we live in and the sooner we get focused on that the better off we will be.
Perhaps it is I who should write in smaller words so that you are able to understand.
You're right, we should just shut up, we don't have the right to offer opinions of Mr. Burtis's writings, and Mr. Burtis should be bestowed the honor of telling us what to think without a single person questioning him, his motives, or casting a vote for him.
Maybe not. Maybe we should have the same rights you offer to Mr. Burtis.
As an aside, he offers ZERO contructive questions and NO new ideas. He is, in fact, a political junky - a hack political writer whose target subjects range from local public servants to state, national and international figures with sarcasm and cynicism. In the past year he has written over 25 letters to the Derry News (all cynical) and many more than that in the canadianfreepress.org. His writings confirm that he sits on that new and universally viewed as failed wing of the political spectrum - NEOCON.
As such he believes in the following rules of debate:
1. If you say "it" often enough, "it" becomes the truth.
2. It takes 1/4 the effort to throw "it" out as it does to respond to "it".
3. If you are cornered by facts, state very emphatically an unrelated fact and quickly declare victory.
4. What is said is secondary - whoever talks the most, wins. (In his case, "writes")
5. Only communicate in safe and controlled venues (Letters to the Editor are a great example).
6. "Don't take me literally" is the second-to-last line of defense.
7. If all else fails, shout down or over a competing view.
His typical begining is becoming boring - let's look at the facts - then offers no facts.
No sir, gone are the days when your angry crowd has a prominent voice. The stunning defeat in the last election of all (except one timid one) ADT members and their main initiative is absolute proof. And just last week even the Derry News called out one of yours in a humiliating debunk.
Please, I beg you, keep thinking the vast majority of us voters are stupid right through election day!
PS: What specific period did he sit on the planning board - his tenure is obviously subject to the same cyinical examination he is kind enough to share with us about others. Or perhaps your facts are wrong again.
While I disagree with Mr. Burtis and his tactics more than your average Joe, ultimately, I also defend his right to voice his opinion. The unfortunate thing about Mr. Burtis’ is that his underlying message is sometimes valid, but he wraps it in such acrimony backed up with personal attacks, it’s hard to take the message seriously.
As he has already discovered from his brief time and subsequent speedy resignation from a town board, the answers don’t always come so easy when you have to work with 7 or 9 other people and make compromises to develop a consensus that a majority will agree on.
You can only do so much from the sidelines before you actually have to participate in the process. The process might not be perfect, but systems of government rarely are. There’s nothing wrong with dissention and disagreement, our country, and our town, as Derry’s 180th anniversary and re-enactment illustrated, were born from it. But as BC stated, we all have to live here, and everyone pulling in opposite directions is not real productive for the town as a whole.
As to which way the tide is turning in Derry, instead of going back a year and a half to ask Phyllis K. and Jim M., maybe Mr. Anonymous should go back 5 short months and ask Joe D., Paul H. and the members of the charter commission for their take. Admittedly, it wasn’t all bad, at least they were able to get a Kennedy democrat elected.
anon 4:34, despite your obvious agenda and tendency towards factual distortion, facts remain and you have loads of homework to do.
unlike the blackhawk helicopter entrances favored by some pols, mr burtis gets a great deal done for being just a lowly citizen without all the attempts to generate fanfare.
i have subsequently done some checking around and found that mr burtis was the chair of a land advisory committee. from what i can gather this committee was comprised of a disperate of people, yet somehow mr burtis was able to work "constructively" with them, contrary to your misleading assertion to the contrary...be that as it may...i have read the report from stem to stern and found it a lucid, through and apparently a completely disregarded document by town officials, i have to ask you (for what its worth), WHY?
is this due to the fact that as you originally maintained a few posts back that because he was not "elected" he has no authority to speak let alone have new ideas implemented?...guess so through your foggy calidiscope glasses.
i could go on pointing out inconsistency's in your arguments but why bother? you are in the minority.
i do find it unfortunate that you find it necessary to willfully fabricate my position on the collective wisdom of the members of this community. i would challenge you to show where i suggested that "the vast majority of voters are stupid" but..you know...i don't want to challenge you.
To any amonymouses who have made the assertion, I have but one simple quetion. Outside of the the Land Advisory Committee report, which in all fairness I cannot comment on having not read it, give me one example of something that Mr. Burtis has done in any capacity to make Derry a better town for everyone to live in. Please spare me the rhetorical shining a spotlight, giving the average guy a voice, etc., etc. Show me one concrete thing. Or better yet show me more than one.
I did not, as you accuse, "maintained a few posts back that because he was not "elected" he has no authority to speak let alone have new ideas implemented?" Please re-read; I asked questions about the background of a person who is entirely unknown to his almost all of his audience and offers cynical views. And yes, I intended to imply that people who have given freely of their time to public service or volenteerism - not just elected positions - tend to be more credible in my view than poeple who sit on the sidelines and criticize. In my view Mr. B is firmly planted on the sidelines.
Yes Sir, Mr. B absolutely has the right to express his opinions just as I have the right opine on his opinions.
As far as who the minority is - well, I know how I voted in the last election, I was pleased with the outcome AND most poeple voted just like "stupid" me. :-)
Now one for you Sir. Yestersday, you wrote that he was on the Planning Board, now after checking further you found he chaired a Land Advisory Committee. You go on to say that you've read the (committees) report from stem to stern and found it lucid.
That's mighty fast background work - great job in finding that report so quickly. Care to share it with us?
anon 2:57 and 3:29, as for what mr burtis has done for the town i recommend you ask around, as i did. or better yet, pay attention to what often happens when he has on occasion commented upon one issue or another.
you act as if his letters to the editor, council meeting public forum comments, planning board membership and presentations, land advisory report contribution, have not been enough.
i have found that it is not how many steps you take, but the direction you're heading that gets you to your goal.
to the extent that mr burtis's letters have shed a new perspective on an issue or "lit a fire" under some seats, more power to him.
finally, i got a copy of the report from a neighbor who happens to be a former planning board member and also was informed by someone at the town hall that there are copies at the library....tell me...is it tough being so cynical as to find it necessary to imply suspision that the report could be found so quickly by me?....hey your not HILLARY CLINTON?!!...are you?... you know, worrying now about a vast derry conspiracy?
Some things never change. The crew remains the same every week as well as their mantra: nasty, indignant, critical, condesending, insulting and negative, just to name a few. Has anyone of them been on any board or commission? NO. Do they want to? NO. Have any one of them offered one iota of positive comment? NO. When are we going to wake up and take these constant angry and negative people to some other community - they obviously have nothing positive to say about Derry. They are certainly not productive. It is hard to say which is more nasty: the sitting Councilor from Dist. 1 or her weekly fan club members. Concerned for our community: Any one who believes they are, I got a bridge for sale. GROW UP FOLKS and behave like Adults..... You do not want to hear this, but YOU ARE ALL an embarassment to this community.
anon 10:13, I ask for one simple concrete thing and you say ask around and dish out a bunch of political rhetoric? As usual when asked to produce verifiable facts, there are none to be found.
So I guess the short non-political answer would be that he's done nothing whatsoever to improve our town.
As to what his ascerbic writings have accomplished, I will credit him with driving our past 2 town administrators right out the door. And he had already started working on #3 before he even got here.
Does anyone else wonder why there was not a single sitting administrator that applied for the Derry position? He helps create a vicious political environment, and then complains that there are no quality applicants.
anon 9:53, YOU are EXACTLY what you claim those that have a different view than yours are. go back and re-read your post. here is a small, off the cuff, list of what was covered by multiple newspapers that actually WERE an embaressment to our community; or would you have us believe that the following are actually positives that should be applauded:
a) our residential vs commercial tax base.
b) sudden council resignations and next day appointments to the dedc.
c) sewer hook-ups at below, WAY below market rates for an ex-councilwomens neighboorhood.
d) alan swann
e) dedc business "experts" getting robbed blind right under their own noses...aren't some of the dedc members accountants?
f) private road recommendations that boil down to two, one of which happens to be the same road that no fewer than two derry "volunteers" live on.
g) dead deer heads.
h) more former town administrators than fireman.
i) overtime that is more than combat duty pay.
j) councilmen that do not recluse themselves from votes that they damn well should.
k) the appearance that a councilman may have shoved a town citizen after a meeting.
l) non-binding signatures on a real estate p&s.
m) a council women attacked on a nationwide fire web site because she dared point out that fire trucks are not amusment park rides.
n) the edfd annexation and lies about economy's of scale and resulting absolute real dollar tax decreases residents would see.
o) a couple, derry state reps, holding the state record for junkets.
p) insanely high attorneys fees due to council blunders and infighting.
q) legal bills submitted for public payment that were clearly not.
r) etc.
s) etc.
t) etc.
these are just some of the issues that rightfully have people in town concerned. ALL of our elected officals are entrusted to make decisions. they should be questioned, open to other suggestions and frankly reminded that in today's day and age they don't make brooms or rugs big enough to sweep things under anymore. the favorite old-time derry pol's default arguement when backed into a corner was "this is how we have always done it." although this line is still foolishly uttered from time to time it just doesn't fly anymore, so better get used to more in depth, transparent justifications when a citizen or citizens call for it.
anon 12:43, i don't know what you're reading, there are examples listed. maybe you missed them, if not..."to thine on self be true" and in the process spare us all your distortions.
Annon 12:54
Your effort marks a feeble attempt to employ Rules of Debate #2 from an above post:
"It takes 1/4 the effort to throw "it" out as it does to respond to "it""
All items in your neat little list are currently being worked on, have been proven blatantly false or are the responsibility of Coyle, Fairbanks and crew.
And regarding the latter, we all know that Mr. B, has NEVER, EVER unleashed his satanic-like venom on the dispicable antics of Coyle and Faibanks & crew. THAT LIST is lengthy and real.
Mr. B's failure to do so further dismantles his credibilty as a self-appointed watchdog.
anon 5:29, if you listen carefully you may hear folks laughing at your willingness to distort reality to conform to your indefensible spurious arguement....
let's get this straight, as you see it, there was no dead deer head; fire trucks ARE photo op props; dowd did not vote upon dedc funding, quit and the next day was named executive(?) director(??); coyle & fairbanks signed off on swann's purchases and inappropriately signed RE P&S's; attorney fees, edfd annexation, and the dedc's 12 year (or more) headstart and $700k in public funding is being worked on. as are, sweet heart sewer hook-ups, free travel for all, attorney's fees requested from public coffers for personal slip-up's, money stolen from sophisticated town business men for gambling debts by the dedc's former director is all blatantly false...as are the huge fire and police overtime expenses; INCREASES in our fire budget and it's respective contribution to our tax bills in east derry despite assurances to the contrary by klauber and company....etc... etc...i wonder, is your name alice by any chance?
thank you for illustrating PRECISELY what it is that is common to any flawed system...and for making my arguement for me for all to see. "TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE" but if you can't, spare us the BS...please? you are kidding no one.
...and those darn Confederates nearly ripped this country apart!
And now Annon 10:03 (It really, really sounds like Mr. Burtis) is employing, from an above post, Rules of debate:
#1. If you say "it" often enough, "it" becomes the truth.
AND
#3. If you are cornered by facts, state very emphatically an unrelated fact and quickly declare victory.
Clear to all, your context and characterization of almost all of those issues are distorted beyond recognition. And your quote reminds us all to add to your rules of debate:
#9. Stake out the righteous ground by wrapping yourself in religeon and quoting scripture or something that sounds like scripture.
The tragic part is that employing these rules, sir, does contribute not one thing to an effective dialog of what Derry needs to do going forward.
In fact, your role contributes to the destruction of an environment where people want to volenteer their talent and treasure - it is the PEOPLE who are going to make this town tick.
No Sir, your role and/or Mr. Burtis' role is transparently and entirely a political one.
to the extent that some of derry's "volunteers", presumably like yourself, take offense at what you allow yourself to claim are NOT truly embarressments to the community, you only make my case.
i actually feel sorry for you, and the community, at your willingness to taint if not compromise by association the majority of volunteers good natured good hearted good work for your own political closed mindedness. do you not have any self-respect? how is it possible continue to maintain that what has been presented here and what has been reported on in the newspapers before that, is political or a lie?
i must ask you again, is your name alice or hillary, a main character in a vast derryland conspiracy?
oh yes, for the last time alice and in your vernacular, "i ain't not mr burtis."
Sir,
It would apparently delight you if I engaged you in the specifics of your accusations, but I shall not because they are false, misplaced or out of context.
I'm sure it is also quite telling to all readers of this blog that you see your accusations as embarrassing to the Derry, but your kind wishes to breathe new life into them at every opportunity. (Brace yoursself folks - he's going to respond that we should never forget these (false) accusations!)
If you must assign me one of those names, Alice works best for me.
And as far as feeling sorry for me, "Sorrow can be alleviated by good sleep, a bath and a glass of wine." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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