This is a copy of an e-mail letter I sent Chairman Rick Metts and all councilors on 5/8/2009.
Rick,
I am asking that you immediately contact the Attorney Generals Office for them to look into this matter. I look forward to sworn testimony from many parties to put this issue in its proper place and to allieviate the many rumors that are being orchastrated by a political faction. I trust you will do this right away.
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It will be god to get the full story now.
I found the accusation far fetched however if it is true there will be an accounting for this.
Brian, you shouldn't have had to call Ms. Rose to say that you were sorry for anything. You were having a conversation with Brad that a bush or a tree heard and called her as fast as they could. I felt sick listening to everyone at the meeting the other night come to her defense. If anyone ever listened to her would know that the flake can talk for herself. She needs to get a little less bent out of shape about nothing. Most of the people that you have to deal with that come out to the meetings are nuts Bri! You just have to take them for what they are and try to forget it when the meeting is over. A note to the meeting trolls: just because 2 people sitting with you at Dunkin Donuts agree with your half baked ideas does not make you a champion of the people!
What is the issue you are talking about here?
Brian, what political faction are you talking about?
I live in town and belong to NO political faction.
However, what I do belong to is a terrific neighborhood where people get along and a large active sports community within Derry.
What has been expressed by all those that have weighed in on this matter is that they are disgusted. For the second time, in as many months, sitting members of Derry town council have engaged in inexcusable behavior.
First, councilor Neil Wetherbee loses control in a parking lot. Now iincomprehensible, stupid remarks surface made by councilor Brad Benson. Brad was going to speak to some womens boss and get her fired because she said something he disagreed with and you concurred Brian? Whether you were joking or not, this is no joking matter.
Simply calling for an AG investigation does nothing to minimize the unfit for office character of any councilor that would suggest such a thing for real or in jest. Ask any one on a baseball diamond cheering on their son's and daughters what they think about this behavior. Ask anyone in any neighborhood their feelings on the matter without using names.
Brian this is not politics or factions. This is a community response to an egregious offense once again broadsiding our community and a women that simply stated what was on her mind.
Benson should step down for making the comment. That's what I am hearing the neighborhood and ball field citizens saying. You Brian are doing yourself no favors by suggesting this is political. You too Brain should step aside if you somehow see this as a political "faction" manufactured issue.
This is clearly something that can not be tolerated.
I wish I knew what was to be investigated... hint, hint.
Although, the last time a councilor brought the AG in, the "alleged" claims against a group were found to be baseless after a "Full Investigation" by the NH AG's office...
But the group who was found INNOCENT of the accusations against them are still, in some twisted minds in this town, guilty regardless...
11:36 You are a real piece of work. It is one thing to say something stupid, quite another to defend it after due consideration.
Maureen said on 4/21 that see was "disappointed" in the council. For that people plot retaliation?
You have a problem with Maureen getting "bent out of shape" over people conspiring to have her fired? What should she or any of us get bent out of shape about? Threats to harm our children? Fire bombing out homes, rape? What would have to be done to you before you became "bent out of shape"?
Do people you view as "nuts" not have the same rights to speak freely in public as you do?
11:36 You are lower than BC, lower than BB... I think you have found rock bottom.
6:20 I guess that you feel a need for drama or something. If someone actually went to her boss looking to have her fired then fine. From what it sounds like, it was a conversation between two people and someone overheard it. Paint the picture however you would like about these two mean men picking on that poor woman! PLEASE! The entire situation was stupid and keeping it going is even worse! The threats and bs that some of the 7 need to listen to meeting after meeting are worse then anything said about Ms. Rose. The we pay your salary bit is getting a little tired! Whatever was said, BC and BB sound like they contacted the lady to set the record straight and that should have been it.
Here's one...
A Councilor applies for an abatement three times for himself and personally appears in front of the tax assessor to get his abatements. Then he later signs off on the abatement manifests in essence, giving himself permission to pocket money.( clearly a conflict of interest) I ask you this: Should this councilor be asked to be removed from office?????
Anon 2:40
You said: "What political faction are you talking about"
Anyone who follows town politics knows there are two factions in this town. It is as clear as the nose on ones face. I'm very surprised that you don't see that. especially if you have read this blog for any length of time.
This all sounds to familiar, I remeber when Coyle accused the firefighters of saying stuff out front of the town hall. They were cleared of all charges, however the councilors never publicly appologised to the men and women of the fire department. Instead Coyle was able to get away with publicly calling them "thugs" to the press. Its amazing what these "little birdies" will hear and how quickly it can spread with twisted words and confussion as well as false accusations.
Brian, there may be "two political factions" that post regularly here on your blog or that show up at town meetings, but rest assured there are many more citizens in Derry who are smart enough to look at each issue on their own and make decisions for themselves about each issue and how this town is being run as a whole.
I think you'd actually find a wide variety of opinions on many subjects if you actually talked with the citizens "in the neighborhoods or at the ball fields as 2:40 PM suggests". You put too much stock in the opinions being expressed on this blog of yours which represents a microcosm of Derry's population.
Just because 5 blog posters agree or disagree with you does not mean they represent the community as a whole.
It is enlightnening that you would state openly that you belong to one of these "factions". So you are now admitting publicly that you don't think for yourself, but rather vote in lock step with "your political faction".
I wonder how the folks in your district feel about this? I assume they are not all "in your faction".
anon 10:54,
I'll let my voting record speak for itself. I believe I am the most independent councilor sitting up there. As far as factions, I see it as the people who either support you or never support you because they have their own agenda and want to be able to control a particular out come.
If I recall correctly, in the issue between Coyle and the Fire Department, the Fire Department didn’t call Coyle to apologize for their comments.
The mere fact that Benson and Chirichiello did call to apologize lends creditability that SOMETHING was said that they felt the need to call Rose about.
Whether the comments made were meant to be private between Benson and Chirichiello is immaterial. The comments were apparently overheard and made known to Maureen Rose. The issue is not that the comments were relayed to Rose, but that the conversation ever took place in the first place. I just can’t image that two sitting Councilors would even have a conversation that they should contact a taxpayer’s boss for retribution because they didn’t like what she had to say about them. Whether you like Maureen Rose or believe she is a crackpot, she still has a right to speak her piece and not fear for retribution because of it.
Look, if you decide you want to hold a public office, you have to be ready to accept both the good and the bad that come with holding that office. I’ll be the first to say that anyone who wants to be on the Derry Town Council needs to have their head examined. But once you make the decision this is something you want to do, you need to have a really thick skin.
Hopefully the incident / comments were taken out of context and there is nothing to this. Either way this is something that has to be investigated further and if found to be true, both Benson and Chirichiello immediately removed from office.
I think you've got that wrong, there's three factions in this town; you, them and us; us being the taxpayers. And since you and them can't seem to come together it's us that are paying the price.
Its one thing to say what you will in the privacy of your own home but making retaliatory or derogative comments in public is quite another; whether in jest or not. So unless the accusation was made up and is totally false, there is no excuse, period. But if that's the case I doubt the local newspapers would've been contacted by one of the offending counselors to squash the story.
To 10:28 - 6:20 is absolutely correct. Please read and reread the post until it sinks in.
A short while ago we were subjected to an alleged threat made to a citizen by another counselor. Now this. What bothers me more is what these incidents say about the character of those who serve on the counsel.
"Your greatness is measured by your kindness; your education and intellect by your modesty; your ignorance is betrayed by your suspicions and prejudices, and your real caliber is measured by the consideration and tolerance you have for others."William J. H. Boetcker
This tid bit boast the lack of polish and professionalism that is evident in this small town. This type of bickering isnt tolerated in the corporate world. Kevin Carney Derry.
Maureen Rose is another little self aggrandizing little ferret that seeks the limelight over and over. An aging drama queen whose frequent shrill and argumentative stances backed up by her little rats’ nest of notes and doodles, she is but another pawn of the Kevin Coyle of the political right; “beans in the bomb cellar” conspiracy theorists of the blatant unfairness of government. Shine the light on her, grant her the 2 minutes of fame she seeks and get back to work.
Brian,
Its time for you to:
Quiet the critics
Understand the anger toward you
Initiate change
To go home
_________________________
adds up to QUIT!
anon 12:32. have you ever noticed how poorly you express yourself?
to your discredit, you did manage to blurt out what i think you intended to be some form of schoolyard insult. the kind that randomly pop into your finely tuned "mind?" and explain a lot about you, EVEN when you post anonymously.
BRAVO anon 12:32 for your good work!!! you single handedly illustrate why there are many people thrilled that you are on the other team of last kids picked.
one more thing, did you know maureen is an animal lover? yup, she spends time helping place helpless animals in good peoples homes. maybe she can help a stray like you too.
What is your stance on civility 12:32?
p.s. BC it appears that you are editing postings for political purposes. I understand editing to avoid libel but why are you editing posting regarding your AG inquiry tactics?
17/5/09 6:39 PM
You obviously do not know Brian. The word QUIT is NOT in his vocabulary! I believe in Brian and have known him for many years. A public servant, or a town employee should not have to take the abuse slung at them over and over again, just because certain people can. It not the playground at school folks....We're adults. Let's start acting like it.
Think twice when reading the Union Leader...This piece of information is straight from the ADT Blog! "At 2:47pm on March 24, 2009, Carol Robidoux said… I'm the Union Leader Correspondent currently covering Derry. E-mail or call anytime with news tips or story ideas: carpaydeeyum@comcas.net 603-930-0640. No comments yet!"
PS Ms Robidoux is a member of the ADT. Oooh I guess it just matters who side you are siding with.
Anon 8:25 and 9:04.
Yep we can place you in the coffee klatch club regarding my comment about Maureen Rose. Yes I am the bad person because I call absurdity what it is but she,Burtis,Dimock aand all of the other "irrationals" can contine the "theater of the absurd" every Tuesday night unabated? Think not Skippys!
I never said she was a bad person. That she looks out for strays is great. I hear she is good with houseplants too! So What! That somehow gives her some misguided notion that she is Joan Of Arc of the Derry taxpayer???
Keep your eyes on lookout for the UFO's and the black helicopters folks. That is surely not that way to move this town towards progress.
And I express my thoughts just fine thank you. You should try caps and full sentences 8:25 and remember the question mark should been outside the quotes. Oh, but you knew that!
While we seem to shy away from real facts, let's look a few right in the eye as much as that pains us all.
Golly sakes, I'm really sorry for you anonymous folks who feign illness when your brethren rise to defend a women who has been threatened by a sitting members of our town government who have, apparently, given their telephoned apologies to her. It is America, after all, and folks can still defend their friends, publicly, when they have been alledgedly savaged by the powers that be.
I feel sorry that so many of you believe that anyone who actually believes that our taxes are way too high, that economies can still be wrung from our bloated town budget, that our directors may not in every case work exclusively for the taxpayers, and that many of our union contracts contain layers of outrageuous pork, are nuts for thinking so. All I'd ask of you is to compare Beverly Hill's, LA's, or NYC's, or even Albany's or any city or town's contracts with ours, and you'll see that we gladly pay or waste (depending on your faction) an amazing amount for longevity, proficiency, and on vacations and other nonsense.
Inexcusable behavior stretches far beyond what's listed here in the blog. We had Mr. Dowd push Mr. Dimmock around awhile ago, according to police filings, and again the security cameras were either out of order or the film was lost, recorded over, or had a large bar magnet set down next to it. And CHING, not guilty due to a lack of corroboratory evidence, just as in the reported case of poor benighted Mr. Wetherbee, though credible witnesses were present to watch his latest road show.
Mr. Dowd, now holding some sort of important though certainly surreptitious role for the DEDC, reportedly followed Mr. Coyle around on that last weekend, before the last town election, taking his photo over and over, for some unknown reason. And, apparently, Mr. Dowd, not satisfied with his new 007 role, floated the rumour that Mr. Coyle did something improper, which another anonymous refers to here, by daring to apply, as a Derry resident, for something many of us apply for, including the DEDC, gasp, no, say it ain't so. And then Mr. Dowd, so folks downtown say, tries to peddle this same fraud of a hoax of a sham of yellow dog journalism to the local newspapers, neither of whom would bite on this red herring. It takes more than legal activities to nail somebody, Mr. Dowd.
Then, of course, we have the "factions" problem.
On one side you have a decided majority faction which believes that the people who pay the freight should have little or no say in how their government is run, that almost everything that takes place should be kept as a secret from them, that every attempt to air a contradictory community television show must be met with a cascade of technical difficulties, that contrary views must be shouted down, that the people should believe every bit of hogwash splashed their way, and that, like the DEDC, every legitimate request for governmental information must be met with every legal device to keep information about what we are paying for from those interested taxpayers who ask for it.
Meanwhile, the other minority faction seeks an open and honest forum, more public input, easier access to town records, demands that the town council abide by contract law, that the DEDC open all their books (both the for secret profit and the super secret not-for-profit sides)to insure that taxpayer monies have not been co-mingled between the two and that taxpayer monies have not been used to repay the so-called "investors" before we give them another dime, and oh, the horror of it all.
And when it comes to the whole DFD, 911 caper series of comments made to Mr. Coyle, don't forget that they were also made to Mr. Carney as well.
It seems that the historical record is always changed so that it is Mr. Coyle and Ms. Fairbanks who are always remembered, regardless of who else voted with them, who else heard what they heard, or who else had their TV shows lost in the same ozone with them.
Just like Mr. Dowd accusing Ms. Fairbanks and Mr. Coyle of sending "bad vibes" to Walmart to chase them away while forgetting the actual time line of events, Derry's ridiculous tax rate, and WalMart's post card caper. The latter being a sure sign that they just weren't coming.
As for the word "quit" not being in Brian's vocabulary, I'm pleased. I guess if Mr. Chirichiello can sleep at night after performing these assorted hijinx and voting for the tommyrot he's affixed his name to, fine. If he can give away the farm, house, and store to the DFD and then cut a couple of grand from folks who teach Derry's large and growing illiterate population to read, and still sleep like a baby, buy him another pillow.
But while everybody is watching the countdown clock on whether these two "gentlemen" resign for hounding Ms. Rose, whether they are repremanded, whether they no longer seek office, whether they receive a note of thanks, or whatever, the legacy of these acts still remain, and the taxpayers, well, to remember an old Hendrix song, "they can't get no relief."
I can only hope that five of the seven up front finally realize that it's not about them, but its all about the taxpayers, who have to fund all the folderol cooked up on the fly, without any credible studies, where the laws of economics don't apply, and where the only real probative questions asked are, "How much can we spend?"
I have come to see that some people can shoot their mouths off at the TC meetings and dish it out but they can't take it when it is shot back at them. How many people have told Mr. Metts that his position on things could mess with his business? The answer is several. People bring up what Brad does for a living all the time. They really need to stop broadcasting the event on tv so some of these folks can get a life. Seems like some feel the need to try to entertain every other tuesday night and it is getting a little old. It is the same tired faces ranting to a near breakdown because they want the attention. They don't just stop there because they spin letters to the Derry news after that. Brian, don't you dare quit! Those that are running off at the mouth are the same people night after night. Hang in there!
Mr Burtis,
No need to sign your posts. When I see too many paragraphs to make a simple point, I know its you. You should start a blog of your own. You certainly have opinions on the issues. Perhaps you should run for office. But then you would have to listen to the misinformed public forum speakers instead of being one.
anon 4:52, the question mark was placed where it was for a reason. it was meant to suggest that your "mind?" actually gives me and the majority of others that read your ignorant post pause when referring to it as such.
to recap, initially you come out calling maureen rose names and then say in your next post, you didn't???
question for you skippy, is it you that arrived here on a ufo or are you simply a resentful houseplant that maureen passed up at the florist?.......in either case i wish you would demonstrated more of your inherent houseplant like qualities the next time you feel the urge to attack someone that would not harm a soul.
Anon 6:01, you have some nerve suggesting that simply because a citizen chooses to speak often
at town meetings that somehow this means they have nothing to say. Have you actually listened to some of the chowderhead's ideas that have been seated on the council over the years?
Do everyone a favor, keep posting and write a letter or two to the local papers. Be certain to provide the names of those that you support politically that agree with your views. This way there will be NO mistaking who NOT to vote for going forward.
Thanks in advance.
Gosh...where to begin? I am so tired of listening to the rants of the Derry 3. I am sure you know who I am referring to.
They appear at almost every town council meeting and spew the same rhetoric time after time. While I admit that every so often, they do say something worthwhile, the rest of the time it reminds me of strip mining.....it causes too much damage and division.
I hear complaints at all the town meetings about how "this is a bad idea" or "you have a stupid look on your face", I rarely hear people offering solutions.
BC - Personally, I am glad they did away with the second public session. It was like a sequel to a bad movie.
Perhaps, you could move the first public session to the end. This would address the concerns that those who could not be there for the first public session would still be afforded an opportunity to speak. (Note: Constructive suggestion)
It would also afford me the opportunity to leave having first heard the town business.
1:04 Please document the meeting in which "you have a stupid look on your face" was said either by a councilor or towards a councilor. Otherwise I must assume that you are just making things up.
Also do you assume that bad ideas and good ones are generated in equal numbers? This certainly has not been my experience as an investor. It's more like 500 bad ideas for each good idea, hence the great value of a really good idea.
If you would like, we can start calling bad ideas "good" to make the people who generate them feel better. That will, of course, become very expensive very quickly.
9:52 I have no issue if a citizen has something to say that is worth something. I would rather not have to listen to the red light warriors who need their dose of camera time rant about how they are the voice of the people and how they are going to stay after the TC. A couple of the heros 91A request the town to death over stupid stuff to try and make needless points. I have supported 6 of 7 TC's on different items so I guess that you're going to have to vote them all out.
Why is the Derry Taxpayers Association presenting the 15 minute cable program about the alleged Maureen Rose soap opera? What does this have to do with taxes? If Coyle or Fairbanks said the same alleged remarks, would the DTA still be putting the show on?
Now that it looks like BD and BB were joking about calling Maureen's boss, it takes on a new light. Its nothing like is being put out there by the Taxpaers group. After all she said about both councilors careers its no wonder they kidded about getting retribution. Poor taste? Sure. Reason to remove them? No.
12:32 What did she say about their careers? Would you like a transcript? She didn't say anything about their careers she only gave Brad the benefit of the doubt by calling him a businessman.
Anon 12:29, great point. However, I suspect that the ADT would do so.
Now it's your turn, have you ever heard Coyle or Fairbanks make such an irresponsible remark or act out in a manner that is remotely similar?
While you are trying to spin that one why not look at some facts under the same hypothetical:
- didn't Wetherbee recently act up in public, not once but twice?
- didn't Dowd get into an embarassing mess with Dimmock?
- didn't Brian make a remark that resulted in a compromise of confidentiality on a RE parcel?
- didn't Bulkley's name appear on DEDC tax return while he was seated as a council member?
- didn't Dowd vote on DEDC funding and then jump ship in the dark of night to take the paid position?
No need to go on anon 12:29, you surely can see that it is the "good people" who are challenged and prone to messing up. Much as you would like to say otherwise,the same can not be said of Coyle and Fairbanks. Wake up.
Anon 9:52
I am sorry that I have offended you with my comments regarding Maureen Rose.
However, we must be talking about 2different Maureen Roses.
You are clearly referring to St. Maureen Rose; kind to plants and pets.
I am discussing the Maureen Rose that frequently lurches up to the microphone at the council meetings, fly’s off the handle with threats, innuendo and wrong information, (usually placed in her little brain by someone else) that she has erroneously processed into her conspiracy theory of the day.
I will be sure not to confuse the two again.
It was an off handed private comment people!
Get over it and move on. Maureen Rose is not worth this type of dustup.
Brian, why don't you require everyone to leave their name?
I bet the number of comments would be reduced by 80%. And the comments would be more constructive.
To all those rude people too scared to leave their name, look in the mirror. This IS who you are. All your mean words are really screams at yourself. You feel inadequate about yourself. By putting others down, you are trying to bring yourself up. It does not work.
If you have nothing constructive to say, then don't speak. You can disagree with people's ideas, but attacking the messenger is no way to express yourself and your opinion.
Nick
Nick, You should take your own advice. Its too bad how far you have fallen.
20/5/09 9:45 AM
Wake up? You did not answer the question. What does alleged poor taste remarks have to do with the Derry Taxpayer Assoc? They used it for propaganda purposes but it makes them look worse. I went to their site and it had articles from 2007 and 2008. Instead of making videos maybe they should update their site.
Lets settle all our differences and make money for the town at the same time:
We will get Vince McMahon to bring his WWE here for one night. Imagine the bouts? BC vs. Dimock in a steel cage. DEDC vs. DTA in a tag team deathmatch. Burtis vs. Stenhouse. Coyle as the brain manager for Burtis and Dimock. Fairbanks can manage the DTA team while complaining the event should have taken place in West Derry instead of the Pinkerton gym. The sellout and PPV will make up for all our deficits. Even Nick will like it.
Anon 12:12
Finally a voice of reason in Derry.
Yes, Nick lets all leave our name (which is the not the purpose of blogging) to cut down the comments (that you deem negative) 80% Of course it will also give Janet Fairbanks and the other "BIG THINKERS" in town more opportunity for retribution at the transfer station on Saturday Mornings.
Good thinking Nick.
Better yet lets have a blog just for just you where you can get 100% agreement! Like that? Best solution is to keep it in your own head and save bandwidth!
Derry politics is the Theater of the Absurd. I would not let Al Dimock mow my lawn or Janet Fairbanks push the cross-walk button for me. But yet, they are powerbrokers in Derry. Absurd!
The only way to change this is to build support for radical change regardless what you plant holders think. The times have changed, monies have become serious and we have outgrown our form of government.
Thanks 12:12 for helping me expose and keep the light on how the Merry in Derry will continue their Dimock Digressions, Burtis BrainF#*ts and Maureen Rose Histrionics while Derry burns.
When is this town going to wake up?
12:07 Regarding updating, you might note that the DTA has been gone for about ten years now. The Alliance of Derry Taxpayers is a totally different organization and I suspect that the majority of ADT members may not have been living in Derry way back then.
Oh yes, May Casten has died as well.
Buy a paper.
Regards,
Doug Newell
DJN,
Poor taste in bring up the late May Casten in order to make a point.
Mr. Newell,
As a member of ADT, can you tell us why your group presented the 'No way to treat a lady' video? What does it have to do with taxes?
Anon 5:42
May Casten is the Ghost of Christmas Past that many of the boneheads in town fondly remember even though her actions and policies sowed the seeds of ruin in Derry.
Apartments, Condexs, and lack of know how to manage the growth are her continuing legacy haunting us to this day.Who among us can forget her rebuff of Wal-Mart ver 1 (not to be confused the more modern ver 2)
After her reign of terror she continued to rattle and hum if only to serve as a role model for Dimock, Burtis and St. Rose years later; a burr in the saddle of progress so to speak.
As a public figure, ole' skunk stripe is fair game!
Get over your offense which you are using to prove you own point!
Spare us the fact that she was good to strays please.
5:42 I only met her a few times but I'm pretty sure she would approve. When I'm gone I hope someone invokes my name to torment the people who squander our tax dollars.
Get a life.
2:31
Here is the information you requested. You can view the town council meeting of 3/3/2009 where the comment was made by Al Dimmock to Brad Benson.
Here is the link:
http://66.211.131.186:88/1017-1.wmv
If you move to the spot at 1 hour 16 minutes and 11 seconds into the video, you will hear the comments. This is so absurd, it really can't be made up. His entire rant starts at 1 hour 14 minutes 58 seconds if you wish to listen to it.
This should prove that I didn't make it up.
In regards to bad ideas and good ideas. I agree with you that there are most likely going to be many more bad ideas than good ones. Unfortunately, no one is giving ideas....they are just spewing vitriol.
Mr. Newell, that was cheap bringing up Mrs. Casten. It was however a fine display of sticking your foot in your mouth. Now BC and BB have a little company.
Nick, you're just full of great ideas aren't you. I will remain anonymous until such time when you get that farmers market project off the ground! Pipe down until you finish a little better then fourth in a three dog race! Regards
10:49 You have an interesting code of ethics. Conspiring to financially harm a woman (bad), stating that a dead woman is ..well, dead (worse). Is it your belief that dead people resent the public knowing they are dead? If so go protest the obituaries. We will all find it amusing.
Sorry but I think you are grasping at straws in a vain attempt to defend your friends, the bullies.
10:49, MAY CASTEN WAS ANYTHING BUT A CHEAP SHOT. SHE COST THIS TOWN DEARLY.
Thank you Anon 10:33 Your link to the town council meeting of 3/3/2009 where the comment was made by Al Dimmock to Brad Benson has once again proven a significant point
Here is the link:
http://66.211.131.186:88/1017-1.wmv
If you move to the spot at 1 hour 17 minutes Al Dimock in his flowering absurdity spills what too many of non progressives in this town feel. “When I bought my house 10 years ago I paid $1800 in taxes now it is $6000. What do I GET from Derry for that $6000? I worked hard and I want to enjoy my retirement,”
Al, I am not 71 and I am not responsible for your retirement.
You made your choices with your career and location of where to live and how you have lead your life. The world turned and things change both within Derry and beyond exit 4.
You still have choices to make. That you continue to think that you speak for the taxpayer in total underscores your ignorance.
My choice is that I wish my family to live in a nice town with great schools, progressive lifestyle and services. I want to use the inherent benefits of So. NH location. I want the town to invest more to clean it up attract new businesses and create an environment where lifestyle is enhanced and housing values become the envy of all surrounding communities.
When Derry is no longer right for my family and lifestyle I will sell my home to someone in another phase of life than my own who is interested in the same values and lifestyle that I am leaving.
That a dinosaur like you can continue to be a "screaming speed bump on the road to progress" revolts me.
“I worked all my life…. I paid $1800 and now pay $6000 and what do I get for it from Derry?” That, Mr. Dimock reveals your true color.
Somehow you seem to think that you are owed something by me, the town of Derry and everybody else. You are no different than the man who wanted free sand at the transfer station or the lady who was stupid enough to lock herself out of her house and wanted emergency services to rush to her aide, all for free.
At 71 you should not need to be told that things get more expensive over time. That there has been a huge increase in taxes over the last 10 years has many reasons beyond that the council does not agree with each other and you, regularly.
But your mind set that you are OWED something and the resultant misconception that others must sacrifice what is important to their lifestyle and values is contemptible.
Stay home on Tuesday nights and use the time to figure out how to restructure you life and lifestyle to live where you can afford.
Stop bothering the rest of us with your selfish opinions and childish behavior.
And tell Butis the same thing.
10:06 you say "That there has been a huge increase in taxes over the last 10 years has many reasons beyond that the council does not agree with each other and you, regularly."
Enlighten us.
Do runaway union contracts, skyrocking school costs amid declining student populations, generally poor management and such goodies as legal services bought at a premium from friends of the council have anything to do with the taxes?
You keep using the code word "progressive". What is progress in your mind? If we drove more elderly people out of town with higher taxes will we have progressed?
Nick,
If all the posts had to be signed, you're right; the number would drop by 80% because Brian wouldn't be able to continue to post his consenting views in anonymity.
Let’s be careful here 10:36.
This is not about age warfare. Nor is it about class warfare. It is about the unilateral reality that Derry is not going to save it’s way to success.
Progressives see the value in investment with future benefits. Non Progressives only think of today.
Waste, "Old Boy Networks" and careless spending is what we have when a bunch of well meaning amateurs with little experience at developmental management try to solve the strategic problems of running Derry with tactical tools.
The swinging pedulum of 2 to 5 and 5 to 2 yeilds the gridlock we have experienced since the day I got here in the early 1990’s.
We have to organize and set measurable objectives (OMG I agree with Burtis!) as part of a strategic plan and incorporate a structure of government that is singularly focused on executing that plan.
This will eliminate the political yo-yoing and the yo-yos (Dimock et al)as well.
10:06
you come off on the self centered side.
Right now you are in your prime and have no compassion for anyone complaining, which AD is doing.
I hope when and if you reach 71 your thinking won't become like 99% of people who do turn 71 because you will get blasted for being a self centered old man.
I might add that you will deserve it.
Anon 10:36
Your statement is flawed in context.
"skyrocketing school costs amid declining student populations"
Unless you are new to town you are aware that there was alarming growth of school populations at the start of Mr. Dimwits tenure at 42 High Street. Thus your comments are very misleading
"generally poor management"
Could not agree with you more but to lay blame with the reactionary influence of crisis management; the pendulum swinging sentiments of the population whipped and driven by tax groups in revolt (the town votes it's pocketbook) and retirees claiming that they would be living on the street if every activity did not halt immediately (The Derry Taxpayers Asses frequent tactic).
"such goodies as legal services bought at a premium from friends of the council"
Oh! do tell 10:36 because if you had any hard evidence beyond innuendo somebody would be in a cell right now.
No, more likely the costs are due to the never ending CYA of getting countless legal opinions (at great expense) or requiring same as a political blocking maneuver.
As Dimwit stated in the link in the earlier post he and you are more concerned about Stenhouse moving to Derry and other super strategic issues while the bigger pictures crawl aimlessly in no particular direction.
10:06 I think Mr. Dimmock is saying that what he wants from the town is to be left alone to enjoy the rest of his life without his savings being pillaged to support your ideology. What are we getting for the highest taxes in NH?
I think you need to get a grip. Your "if you don't like it move" attitude is arrogant and annoying. We have as much right to be here as you do and we are staying and fighting for OUR Town. If you don't like us move. (how does that feel?)
DJN said to' get a life' to a dissenting post. I always liked you Doug and respected your views and the professional manner in which you handled yourself. But to stoop to the above reply was beneath you. I am disappointed.
2:16
It is not a good guess to assume that I am in my prime.
If you are involved enough to be contributing to this blog (with Nicks approval) you should be able to think outside yourself for a moment.
We are talking about fundamental issues involving the future of this town. These issues are no more about me or being self- centered than it should be about Dimocks desires or St. Roses latest soap opera drama.
It is about how to invest collectively to benefit the future of Derry.
This is going to take bold leadership with an eye to long range solutions where money is expended today for benefits down the road. Not all of us will see them, so plan accordingly. If we were of one mind today, constructed a plan and began implementation, I would never reside here long enough to see the benefits regardless of my age.
Dimock is clear in his thinking.
He sees no value in his taxes vs. what he gets from the town. Like a cow in a stormy field, AL puts his big ass into the wind and stares bleakly into the past.
Guess what Al ? Lindy made it! And taxes on your house will never be $1800 again. Even if the roads in Derry revert to dirt and we never invest a single dime.
Yet AL is vocal and he embodies the feelings of others (shall I label them non-progressives?) Hope that supplies the definition of Non Progressives to those who couldn’t get Burtis to provide the details.
Suffice to say that Al Dimock and his ilk are not the standard bearers of Derrys future.
This is the crux of the problem. Taxpayers will vote their pocketbooks based on today. Yet with no strategic planning and a total leadership void, we bounce from crisis to crisis. Councilors are vilified for wanting to invest in the future and defamed when their talents for execution falls short.
Combined with our town blood sport of being publicly emasculated for exhibiting the frustrations in dealing with absolute morons, we have the perfect storm for strategic gridlock.
To not take action is continuing the errors of the past. But without thinking of a greater good is may be our destiny.
6:48
Great comment that shows clearly the reasons for the situation that we are in.
Under your strategy we will base everything on the lowest common denominator (Al Dimocks lifestyle) and nothing will ever be changed above that baseline.
However, what you are not taking into consideration is that things cost more over time at a given level of service. So for AL to maintain his $1800 tax rate something will need to give. Is he or you willing to give up town services? Do you want the libraries closed and the roads to crumble. Are you willing to suffer the real estate decline if the schools are nuked? Are you willing to downsize police and fire and lengthen response times?
If not, I am selfish for wanting the town to progress but you are not for wanting everything to be based on a declining standard of living?
HHmmmm very interesting, do I have this correct?
America was founded on the principle of doing better, progressing and making things more productive. How do you justify basing Derrys future on Al Dimock's lifestyle.
7:39 Sorry I disappointed you. I found the concept that mentioning the name of someone who had dead was somehow offensive to be, well, downright silly. I loved my father but he is dead. The world can know he is dead, there is no shame in that, it happens to us all. I would hope that my critics find something of more substance to discuss other than the fact that I mentioned a dead person's name. If that is the best they can do then perhaps they should find other amusements because I and most other people will not take them seriously.
I hate to say it...but I agree. People need to toughen up a little hear. I could care less for his statements, but give the guy a break. Maybe he could have used the words "passed away" to be a little more politically correct. But who cares? I live in town full of freaking bickering hens!
7:39, your post had me DYING of laughter. DJN was in my view DEAD TO RIGHTS appropriate in his content.
OVER MY DEAD BODY will anyone have their BELL TOLLED calling on them to DIG THEIR OWN GRAVE due SOLEY (a little poetic license there) to the use of such common CRADLE TO GRAVE english.
Without some colorful language, this site would become a GHOST of itself and KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCKING ON HEAVEN"S DOOR before you can say BOO!
So lets not allow this site to GET DEEP SIXED by being a STIFF trying to create non-issue, issues.
It's a DROP DEAD beautiful blog that allows all to express their ideas and LAST WISHES on topics of interest to the town and its citizens. Without some humor derry would HAVE ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE.
Anyone that thinks otherwise should have their own wanted poster nailed to every telephone poll that say's: REWARD, WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE.
7:39, your post had me DYING of laughter. DJN was in my view DEAD TO RIGHTS appropriate in his content.
OVER MY DEAD BODY will anyone have their BELL TOLLED calling on them to DIG THEIR OWN GRAVE due SOLEY (a little poetic license there) to the use of such common CRADLE TO GRAVE english.
Without some colorful language, this site would become a GHOST of itself and KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCKING ON HEAVEN"S DOOR before you can say BOO!
So lets not allow this site to GET DEEP SIXED by being a STIFF trying to create non-issue, issues.
It's a DROP DEAD beautiful blog that allows all to express their ideas and LAST WISHES on topics of interest to the town and its citizens. Without some humor derry would HAVE ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE.
Anyone that thinks otherwise should have their own wanted poster nailed to every telephone poll that say's: REWARD, WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE.
11:08
I see that decorum is not in your capital laced vocabulary. Waht wrong with asking for respect and decorum in posting here? You can disagree and make a point while remaining civil. You post actually makes no sense. You are encouraging poor behavior. People who encourage discourse resort to such tactics because their arguments do no hold up otherwise. The have no fall back position.
12:20 I think we have made progress! One of our issues is that we disagree on what constitutes civility.
You have the odd idea that any reference to death is uncivil. Others of us find conspiracy to harm others and threatening parking lot encounters to be uncivil.
Civility "refers to behaviour between persons and groups that conforms to a social mode." (Wikipedia)
I'm unaware of a social mode prohibiting death or the reference thereto. Therefore I'd say we win. Next problem?
12:20
I agree and wonder how that post even got approved.
if those types of posts continue this will turn into a middle school's blog about derry
12:20 and 7:32 you appear to have missed the fact that 11:08 was making fun of your absurd position. Reluctantly I must agree; you’re being foolish. You are engaged in criticism without substance (also you have no sense of humor).
No, its you who missed the point 1:43. They pointed out that you can make a stance while remaining polite. You, along with CAPITAL poster, take the personal attack route instead of arguing the facts.
The town gave my group of MIT scientists 26 Million to investiagte the poeple here. We have come up with the problem: too many of you listen to and believe Rush Limbaugh.
12:20 Now it's impolite to mention a dead person by name? Miss Mannors must have missed that one.
Yes ridicule is appropriate. We are all laughing at you. I suspect you are accustomed to it. This thread has become tiresome. Bye.
6:12, Topics become boring quickly to small minds. Time to get back to your Jery Springer show.
Back to the topic... how's the "full investigation" coming? Do you think this fiasco will diminish you reelection prospects?
GAWD! 8:20,
To quote an old Dutch addage: "Leave old cows in the canal.”
BC and Benson have eliminated themselves from their political careers in Derry with their sophomoric attempt at humor.
Don’t get me wrong; I’d have voted that the harpy should have a dirty sock inserted in her mouth and duct taped shut upon entering the Municipal Center every week.
But to allow her feigned indignation to disrupt the balance of power generated by election is absurd.
Does this not sell short the management of Merrimac Tile?
Do you really believe that BC and Benson have that type of horsepower?
Do you believe that THEY think they do?
Can’t you realize who is behind this and why?
Please tell us that you are part of Kevin Coyle’s cabal and not just this gullible or worse?
Brian don't be a wimp and delete this post like you did the last few. People in town need to know who is behind the political capitalization on this situation.
8:20 At the top of this thread BC promised us a "full investigation". We are still waiting. Whether I am part of the "Coyle's Cabal" is irrelevant. Where is the investigation he promised?
8:20 We see your strong support of the 1st Amendment when you said: "I’d have voted that the harpy should have a dirty sock inserted in her mouth and duct taped shut upon entering the Municipal Center every week."
Very impressive. Very classy. I can tell you are a person of great substance.
According to the Derry Charter... (you know, the law we live under...)the Council has the right to remove a member (thus overturning the results of an election) if the Council member has engaged in "Misconduct".
So the is the only question;
not what would the management of Merrimac Tile have done;
not who is demanding an answer;
not did the boys have enough clout with Merrimac to be successful in having her fired;
the only question is was this "MISCONDUCT" if so they go, if not they stay. How about you discuss "Misconduct" rather that engage in personal attacks on Ms Rose?
One last thing why would BC remove your posts? From the post, you may be BC.
WWI was started over the assassination of an innocuous Archduke in Sarajevo. Actions by governments that had hidden agendas, axes to grind and thought they could get a leg up on rivals led to overreaction on a global scale. Millions died and civilization as we know was set back for generations.
Maureen Rose is Derry’s Archduke Ferdinand.
BC and Benson made a mistake. They will never be elected dogcatcher in the future. To allow the political balance of the current town counsel to be altered by decree over an ill conceived attempt at adolescent humor is only advocated by someone with hidden agendas, axes to grind and thinking that a political faction could get a leg up on rivals. Which are you?
4:44 You are more concerned with the balance of power on the council than you are with the rules (The Charter... "misconduct"). 'm sure if you are old enough you were a big Nixon supporter... can't overturn a andslide election over a little legal problem.
If the balance is shifted perhaps the GOBs will learn to choose more reliable minions.
Nixon hater of old!
Nope, I was a bit young to vote back then ...but I did love Sam Irwins' eyebrows!
Nixon got sent to San Clemente on the wayback machine but if you remember they did not just flip the white house keys to Democratic leader Mike Mansfield and the begrieved Daniel Ellsberg did they?
And that is what you would like this witch hunt to do isn't it?
No they followed the Constituional process and Ford became President. (Not a great President but a President nevertheless)
I would suggest we to follow the law and should your two buddies get shown the door, the remaining council members would, as the Charter indicates, choose replacements.
So like I said the constitution did not just flip the keys to the opposing power (the democrats) and the national balance of power did not change. Golfers became endangered species and the Manson girls got re-energized perhaps but the balance of power did not change.
The current council minus BC and BB with the responsibility to appoint 2 additional councilors in today’s politically charged environment?
The council can’t get anything done now what do you expect them to accomplish with that political brainteaser.
BC and BB have been rendered moot. Leave sleeping dogs lie.
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