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How can anyone legally obtain another's personal emails? I do not believe he can. Burtis went too far. Imagine the noise he would make if we obtained his emails to Coyle and Fairbanks.
I think it is terrible how some bloggers insult people.
Its sad enough some think this way about others they may not agree with but to allow them to be posted is another matter that should be reconsidered by the blog post approver.
Brian
I felt that Brad stated it eloquently at the meeting.One public forum is sufficient. If people were more productive instead of being destructive it might show some merit.
There is a time and a place to voice ones concerns to their councilors (as suggested by Neil W.and Brad) it doesn't have to be in front of the cameras for the 'shock effect'.If there's an issue with a department, take it up with the department head or town administrator.
Civil decorum, with respect should be manditory!
Why did that shanty house on the corner of Maple and High St get boarded up, again? Why are the owners not being held accountable for letting a place deteriorate so badly? If the town is allowed to run training for police, only to cut holes in the roof and wreck the place even worse, why not have firefighter training and burn it to the ground? That would be a huge improvement.
11;12 I'm really hoping that you are being sarcastic but I'm afraid you are not. So freedom of speech doesn't cover "destructive" comments? You might read the Declaration of Independence sometime. About 80% of it is destructive comments about the behavior of the King.
Here's a destructive comment: What the F happened to the hundreds of thousands (or was it a million?) taxpayer dollars that went into a 4A report that has never been delivered? Why does the TA not report on its status? Why do our council members not insist that the town sue the consultants for non-delivery of goods? Who paid these people before we got the product? Are the politicians that approved this continuing fiasco ever going to be held accountable?
Civility yes, but sorry, respect is earned.
1:22 Mr.Bulkley's emails when acting as a town councilor communicating to groups that have received public funds are not "personal". A 91A has been submitted to gather all these communications, I hope they will be made public. Doesn't it interest you at all what our elected officials are doing and saying when they think no one from the public is listening?
I agree with anon 11:12 and Benson.
The council meeting is a business meeting, not a free for all to be used for bashing town employees and town agencies.
One public forum is sufficient. Citizens are welcome to call or write to the council as often as they'd like.
They are also entitled to write to the newspapers to address concerns with the general public.
Undisputable facts:
The purpose of the Council meeting is to conduct the business of the town. Public forums are not required by law and therefore are not a "right"; they are a privilege. That privilege carries certain responsibilities - it should only be extended to those who agree to abide by council rules of decorum; those who don't abide should be very aggressively shut off.
The public has the ability to communicate to the councilors in at least the following ways which would all be matters of public record:
1. Write a letter to the editor
2. Call them on the phone
3. Email them.
4. Go knock on their door.
5. U.S. Mail
6. Speak during the public forum for an agenda item.
The prior to Tuesday’s meeting, during the last 7 Council meetings this is who spoke and how many times:
Al Dimmock 12
Marge Bisson 1
Mike Gill 1
Steve Trefethen 1
Mike Houle 1
Howie Lund 1
Doug Newell 2
John Burtis 3
Diane Gill 1
Roberta Robie 1
Carl Arcardo 1
Tina Claremont 1
Diane Lachance 1
Steve Falconer 2
Joel Olbriht 2
Bob Letourneau 1
Joe Dicharrio 2
My view:
Any mention of any persons in a critical manner should be shut off and shut down immediately - keep it on the issues.
The Chairperson, any chairperson - even if that be Rick Metts, Kevin Coyle or even Mother Teresa should have a shut off button for the microphone of the speaker.
A strong case could be made that you don't need even one forum; you certainly don't need two.
Going to one forum does not stifle public input considering how many ways the public can already give input. Going to one forum enhances the Councils ability to conduct the towns business.
The resolution to the Burtis-like episodes really lies in the strength of the Chair.
PS: Burtis stated he got those emails from a town employee, but it was also stated that they were not part of a 91-a request --- someone should be in legal do-do.
I got one for you.
Its a title for a new show.
LIFE BEHIND BARS with your host
John Burtis
Although I agree with Mr. Benson that one public forum is enough, but I was surprised by his arrogant response about not replying to group emails. I guess we should have to send 7 separate emails simply to get Mr. Benson to respond. I guess Mr. Benson thinks he is better than the other 5 councilors who responded to the group email.
ANYONE who starts a sentence with "What the F" does not earn my respect...
So tell me, is freedom of speech included when defaming someone's reputation publicly (on TV)? I'm getting it now..You go by one set of rights but hold a differant set for others!
11/4/09 7:07 PM
All your options are positive and viable ones, but these folks don't have the mentality to do any one of them. What they want is their 3 minutes of air-time on television every two weeks.Slandering folks, making threats, negative comments...
Brian:
SUGGESTION:How about holding the Public Forum 'before' the meeting and 'before' the cameras go on? Let's just see how effective that would be. Their voices would still be heard.
Please take this into consideration.
I agree that 10:31 should leave the "F" out of his/her comments. I must agree with that person however that 4A is being swept under the carpet (along with a million dollars of taxpayer money). Perhaps the state attorney general should look into this to determine if it is just gross negligence or criminal in nature.
For all of you wanting to silence speakers, there is a brown shirt sale at Walmart. You should dress the part.
11:36pm - I think you're on to something,don't televise the public forum.
7:07 says "Burtis stated he got those emails from a town employee, but it was also stated that they were not part of a 91-a request --- someone should be in legal do-do."
So you are trying to plug a leak. Why don't you speak out in favor of transparency in government?
The fact that these documents can be obtained through a 91A shows that they are public documents. Do you believe that there is a legal problem with a town employee providing public documents without a 91A request?
You base that on your legal training obtained at what university?
7:13 Are you accusing Mr. Burtis of some criminal act? If so please provide facts. Put up or shut up. You and your ilk despise the occasional “over the top” comments made in the public forum of the council meetings and then you make these innuendos in this public forum. You are hypocritical and unworthy of further consideration.
10:58
Great idea! We'll only call it a public forum, but not let the public see it. If a taxpayer complains or presents facts and no one hears them, did it ever really happen?
And if the elderly, for example, can't get out of their wheelchairs to drive to the municipal center and spend two hours watching a meeting, tough luck for them.
But are we sure we want to let the public attend the meetings at all? They elected the council and should keep their noses out of council OFFICIAL (sounds important doesn't it?) business.
All you complainers out there, shut up and write your tax checks. Bloody taxpayers... wanting to know what we are up to all the time.
12/4/09 10:26 AM
Who said anything about silencing speakers? It was suggested not to have that portion televised.
You can't talk without a camera?
Perhaps you can set up your own!
It’s amazing how many people can’t see the forest through the trees. Mr. Burtis was attempting to bring up an important ethical issue involving the former Council Chairperson and the DEDC.
Instead of people wanting to get to the bottom of this very disturbing “relationship” we want to talk about censoring the public forum.
Is there anyone out there interested in the truth?
11:36 Keep the public forum private? Actually then it's not a forum.
Forum: "an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest."
Your idea would be better referred to as "a backroom where slimy deals can be concocted."
Excuse me 9:03 pm, but that is my camera. I am a Derry taxpayer.
BC please answer 11:32. Are you interested in the truth?
How will we know if Burtis committed any crimes without a very thorough investigation?
That, by the way, is the same pathetic logic that Burtis used to verbally rape a valued and dedicated public servant whose integrity has been proven to be above reproach.
I vote for no public forums (other than for agenda items) - they are being used to perpetuate the political circus. The real question is who is in favor of protecting the political circus?
1. Put all the councilors on a boat in the middle of Beaver Lake.
2. Bomb the town flat and get rid of all the taxpayers.
3. Sink the boat.
No more problems.
Its a great idea to have the public forum early, BEFORE the cameras come on. The Council can still listen to Al Dimock and his cronies but we will be spared. If the cam is not rolling I predict the constant ranters will stop pontificating.
anon 3:15, Always!
I know.....for FACT......that the some of the partisanship and closed mindedness that exists on the council has resulted in some councilors that actually do not speak to one another.
That said, community ISSUES are NOT being throughly discussed amongst councilors.
Furthermore, I KNOW, for FACT, that there are some OLD hack's that have disporportionate, inexplicable influence over some sitting councilors.
I am truly ASTONISHED that some of you that have posted here are so clueless that you would voice an opinion that supports a further level of insulation from public opinion as is being put forth by Whetherbee and Benson.
On the otherhand, maybe I am not astonished...... maybe disappointed in the collective intolerance and disrespect for democracy that exists within our community.
1:23PM
There are workshops held by many committee and boards with no cameras. Would you classify those 'gatherings'as: "a backroom where slimy deals can be concocted."(your quote)! No they aren't. Productive work is done at these (non televised) workshops.!
I see that 5 of the 7 councilors showed up at the all day Saturday session on the future of Derry. Brian you were not there. Why? Seems like an important meeting for a Councilor to attend and there was plenty of notice given about the date.
anon 10:59,
I intended to go however I had an appointment that went long over and could not get there. I will be reviewing what came out of those meetings.. Besides, I have been a participant for over 11 years volunteering and sometimes its nice hearing from others.
I checked with the Local Government Center’s web site today and obtained the salaries of Police Officers in the State of NH and compared the average wage across the State from the rank of Chief down to Patrol Officer and compared that to the wages paid in Derry. This is what I found. (I did not include the City of Manchester in the equation as they are paid a considerably higher wage across the board in all ranks but they also have a population 4 times that of Derry). All of the figures were pulled from the high range as all employees currently covered by these contracts are either already at top step or very nearly there.
The average wage for a Police Chief is $108,000. Chief Garone’s salary of $106,000 is -2 % below the average.
The average wage for a Captain is $90,000. A Derry’s Captains salary prior to the new contract increase was $89,000 or -2 % below average. With the new contract increase their salary will now be $97,000 or +6.8 % above the average. In the HR Director’s memo to the Council he shows a salary figure for Police Captain of $91,335 but yet the contract proposal listed on the Town’s web site shows the top step to be $97,000. Both Captains have been in their current positions longer than the steps required to achieve top step. If the $91,335 figure is accurate, the Captains will then be paid +1.5 % above average.
The average wage for a Lieutenant is $77,750. A Derry Lieutenant’s salary is $80,000 or +3 % above the average.
The average wage for a Sergeant is $70,000. A Derry Sergeant’s salary is $76,000 or +8.5 % above average.
The average wage for a Patrol Officer is $55,500. A Derry Patrol Officer’s salary is $55,000 or -1 % below average.
All these figures are readily available on the Local Government Centers web site at http://www.nhlgc.org/LGCWebSite/PDFDocuments/WSBS/Police.pdf
It just amazes me that the Town of Derry is consistently overpaying their town employees. Last year it was the firefighters who we through a boat load of money at. Now we’re doing the same with the Police Department.
Why Brian? Why?
PS - This isn’t a rhetorical question. I’d really like an answer.
Anon. 9:19,
You state “I know.....for FACT......that the some of the partisanship and closed mindedness that exists on the council has resulted in some councilors that actually do not speak to one another.”
I assume that partisanship and closed mindedness is a two way street unless one or two councilors are constantly being rebuked in their efforts to work together. Perhaps with your apparent first hand knowledge of the facts you could elaborate.
You go on to say “That said, community ISSUES are NOT being throughly discussed amongst councilors.”
No news flash there to anyone who’s ever seen a council meeting.
Now here the tough part 9:19, any ideas how to fix it??
We’ve got plenty of people saying everything that’s wrong but no one ever wants to offer a viable solution. Too much work.
When some decent ideas start coming out of one public forum then we can talk about having two. But if its the same old tired crap with just one it should be eliminated altogether.
Anon. 4:59,
You eliminated Manchester from the equation because their population is 4 times that of Derry and for that they pay considerably more. Fair enough. However Derry is the 4th largest municipality in the state. I would be curious to see what the average population is in the rest of the towns in NH which were used for this comparison. I’d be willing to bet Derry is at least 2 to 3 time that average if not more.
We’ve also had 2 shootings in town in recent weeks and would certainly be considered much more urban than rural. When looking at these averages you have to consider that there are huge parts of this state (area wise) that see very little crime, most of it is concentrated in the urban areas, so in my opinion averaging on a state wide basis may not be a fair comparison.
Some of these low crime rural areas still pay competitively compared to Derry and can be much more attractive in terms of quality of life etc. If the town’s going to attract quality candidates it needs to be competitive with these rural areas as well as higher paying Manchester which is right up the street.
If you’re willing to justify Manchester’s salaries because of higher population, you have to consider doing the same for Derry.
Anon 14/4/09 10:59 AM -- BC wasn't the only councilor not there -- I didn't see Ms. Fairbanks or Mr. Carney either.
Anon 9:25...
When we see posts like Anon 4:59, all we ever see is numbers. So and so gets paid this and it's such ans such a percentage more than town/city x. It's unfortunate that most of these people have very little idea of the value behind the dollar.
To express one example from the DFD, since it was brought up in discussion...
"We threw a boat load of money.." at DFD. 0%, 2.5%, 2.2% COLA over the 3 year contract. Small numbers, but that's not the point. The point is value.
How many other Fire Depts in NH have their EMS side certified by CAAS? http://www.caas.org/
Answer? Zero. For those who need to have a number, that would be 0.
CAAS is a fee paid designation.....right?
Kind of like a reciept, that is supposed to make taxpayers feel better as they are rushed to the hospital because of stress related ailments due to impossibly high taxes.
CAAS means ZERO except that we are getting what we should be in light of the money we pay.
Public service like firefighters , police and teachers used to be a calling. Then unions got involved, everone hiked up their skirts and all of a sudden we have Chief Blubber and Chief Gabbon pulling down 100k/yr with another 50k in benies and lifetime retirement kisses in the mail. (Like the blowhard Burtis) What? Are bullets any more dangerous to police than the time of Bonnie and Clyde? Has fire gotten hotter in the last 50 years? No, only the computer, spread sheets and sharp union negotiators who use them to compare and contrast everything on a per capita basis. This equates all of us to the ever rising standards of population per policeman, firefighters per building, equalization of response times and every other metric that supports escalation of costs. As the private sector is forced, by the bottom line to get more efficent, the public sector only has to make the case that Derry Taxpayers do not have things as good as other towns and we must invest to reach the equal levels of others. The rachet effect is a savvy method to have the rising tide lift all boats. That pros negotiate for the unions and the town throws only what it has with municiple comparisons provides the answer as to the current state of expenses. IT WILL ALWAYS COST MORE YEAR AFTER YEAR. Bravery is not what this is about. I expect that from Firemen and Cops. If you afraid of the water you should not apply to be a lifeguard. IF your concern is about being trapped in a fire or shot on patrol you might have chosen the wrong profession. Relatively speaking, cops and firemen are not "worth" 100k a year. Unless you need one. What about the guy that fixes my brakes? What about the commuter pilot, the teacher that educates my kids, the bus driver or the lady at the Shaws deli? They are all indespensible in my life and I use them much more frequently than police and fire. Where are their 100k paydays with lifetime benefits? It used to be big paydays for the highest skillsets and the greatest financial risks. Now wealth can be generated by public service personell that can put in 25 years and some lowbrow union negotiator with charts in a briefcase and a leg up on a town government.
Why do folks continue to find the need to hack up the Fire Dept.! Boy I sure hope you don't have a need for these OUTSTANDING MEN while you live in Derry. There is no monetary value to a life!!!!!
6:42 How many other fire departments have PAID CAAS to be certified?
Anon 9:57...
CAAS is a paid certification. What's your point? Do you think it's as simple as throwing a couple bucks at them and they send you some stickers?
BC, perhaps you can have some light shed on this. I'd like to know how much it has cost the Town to have CAAS certified EMS. Is CAAS certification a mandatory requirement for ALL fire departments? If so, why don't we see other Towns with CAAS certified EMS. Also, what is the difference in pay scale from being non-CAAS certified EMS and certified. Also, I thought we had a hiring freeze on ... why on earth are we hiring a new tax collector, simply have the assistant tax collector learn the job. If they can do the job in the tax collector's absence, they can do the job full time, despite the fact that Mr. Childs would like to have someone of his choosing in that position. The council is saying its going to help the hurting taxpayers and then we start hiring on new employees. This is getting ridiculous .. either we have a hiring freeze or we don't, but you can't pick and choose what jobs will be under the freeze and what won't.
Cut and pasted directly from the new ADT website:
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All Politics Are Local!
The Alliance of Derry Taxpayers:
* Supports lower taxes and less wasteful spending at ALL levels
* Supports choice in education for everyone
* Supports a taxpayer's right to vote on economic issues.
* Supports and demands the honesty and ethics of ALL government officials
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So my question to them is how does the taxpayer get to vote on economic issues in their proposed (wink, wink) city government?
Perhaps they need to revamp this "issue" to reflect their currently prposed whim of a city.
See for yourself -
http://derrytax.ning.com/page/issues-1
For follow up on the salary analysis.
The towns included were all towns over 25,000 in population. They were Nashua (#2), Concord (#3), Derry (#4), Rochester (#5), Salem (#6), and finally Dover (#7).
I fell pretty comfortable in stating Derry’s crime statistics are lower than Nashua’s and comparable with the remaining towns.
Apples to Apples people.
If you want to talk about quality Officers, you all realize because of the current Administration, the Town of Derry lost 15 experienced and very well trained officers in the past two years. They currently have two more officers on the force now who have accepted positions with other agencies and will be leaving shortly.
The place has become a revolving door.
Throwing money at them isn't going to help anything!
6:42 ""We threw a boat load of money.." at DFD. 0%, 2.5%, 2.2% COLA over the 3 year contract. Small numbers, but that's not the point. The point is value."
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Derry's fire dept costs boat loads more per person protected than almost any other like sized community in the state. Doesn't Concord get value from their fire dept? How about Nashua, do their firefighters run from danger?
Yes let's talk about value, but let's use appropriate metrics. Let's not imply that our firefighters are stronger or braver than others, let's compare town/city to town/city. And let's leave out the EMS that should be privatized. Why should we pay twice for that?
The intelligence level of the majority of posters on here is subpar. Is it a fair depiction of the population of Derry?
hey 9:57, I'll certify you as an Official Blogger... that will be $1000 please. You can also get an official certificate with a gold (colored) foil seal that you can present to the council... suitable for framing. (That's $99.99 extra)
5:35 My IQ is 130. What is yours?
Hey "subpar" and that makes you....?
I'm glad to see that Councilor Fairbanks found it more important to attend the ZBA hearing on Thursday evening instead of the council workshop.
BC,
Anonymous 10:58 is right on .
As long as bloated contracts slip thru and dept heads can spend what they want," JUST SHUT UP TAXPAYERS" . You don't like it move.
You are not to speak at council meetings neither.You are to keep quiet til our lifetime employment is over.GET IT YOU MISERABLE WHINERS.
This is our business plan not yours.
First it was the Firefighters contract.
Then the Policemans Contract
Then the PATEA Contract
Then John Burtis
Ops almost forgot Fairbanks and Coyle.
Starting to run out of people and things to blame everything on.
I think it is time we all work for the commom good of Derry instead of tearing it apart.
Face it we have high taxes and until the State comes up with a proper way to FUND OUR SCHOOLS it will not go away.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES LETS DO SOMETHING GOOD INSTEAD OF BAD MOUTHING EVERYTHING
Councilor Fairbanks past up the opportunity to 'represent ' her constituents for attending a ZBA Meeting? Her husband is on that committee.I watched the rerun on tv.A case on the agenda regarded a Cooper property. Doesn't she work for Cooper?Ithought I heard that, perhaps I'm wrong, but if she does wasn't speaking at that meeting a bit of a conflict of interest? If nothing else, blowing off the Budget Workshop showed disrespect for those department heads delivering their budgets.
10:01 stop blaming the schools and the state for everything. The fire contract costs us millions in excess payments every year. Those millions come from the same wallets as the school taxes. Waste is waste.
10:46 Get a grip. Critical votes were deferred until JF returned to the Council. Her constituents are clearly happy/delighted with her service. Note the election. (The one your side lost, remember?) Find something of more substance to bring before us or be recognized as the small person you are.
Anonymous said...
5:35 My IQ is 130. What is yours?
17/4/09 9:21 AM
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What a riot! I went to MIT and never had anyone tell me their IQ or even discuss it. People who announce theirs are fibbing, fools or both.
Less than 1% of Derry voted for JF.
Less than 3.5% of people from District 1 voted for JF.
Less than 6% of Distict 1 registered voters voted for JF.
The only thing that can be said as fact is that 288 out of 5,000 registered voters are very happy with JF.
Anything said beyond that is purely opinion.
Where's the respect, 10:48!A meeting is being conducted.A meeting that will effect each citizen in this town. Since when does issues have to be 'deferred' until someone 'decides' to 'finally' show up.Here's just another example of how her position has gone to her head.
anon 4:14
didn't you mean to say...
Less than 1% of Derry voted for JF.
** MH had even less **
Less than 3.5% of people from District 1 voted for JF.
** MH had even less **
Less than 6% of Distict 1 registered voters voted for JF.
** MH had even less **
The only thing that can be said as fact is that 288 out of 5,000 registered voters are very happy with JF.
** MH had even less **
Anything said beyond that is purely opinion.
Great 4:14 since those are the new rules of the game the jokers on the town council (none of whom got even 10% of the registered voters voting for them) can't squander our money by signing fat labor contracts tonight. Thanks that's a relief. (You know I might come to agree with subpar).
Anon 2:21 I agree with you. Announcing one's IQ with an expectation that it will influence a presumed weaker mind to support their position, as Anon 9:21 has done, is the best evidence of a fool, a fibber and a low IQ.
There is no shortage of Anon 9:21 types in this town.
Last night's t.c. meeting provided the supreme reason why we do not need two public forums. The manner in which the public conducted themselves spoke volumes. Bringing up Mr. Benson's deseased Mother, and listening to others go on and on spewing more venom. It was awful. Freedom of speech for all...yes, but respect and decorum in a public place is also expected!
I commend the councilors for their self control.
7:30, she represents the taxpayers when it counts. Contrast her votes to those of BC, Metts, Wetherbee Carney and Benson. If she misses a meeting or two, who cares? I only wish some of them would miss a few dozen meetings. Respect has nothing to do with any of this. We all know how it will turn out, 4-3 or 5-2. The unions have the best council their money can buy.
2:21 It's not IQ but character that matters most. That is what is lacking among some of our bloggers on this site.
Unions, Unions, Unions, That is all we hear here. If we are not blaming them we are blaming Coyle, Fairbanks, Carney, Metts, Benson, ETC. If we stood you infront of a firing squad and shot you with a silver bullet you would piss and moan that it was not Gold. Then if we switched to Gold bullets you would complain that it was not Platnum. Put your efforts into a cure not a blame game.
10:40 Give me a break. Mr. Benson's mother was brought up respectfully as Mr. Dimmock defended himself. He had been accused of attacking Brad Benson's family. He respectfully pointed out that he could hardly have said something negative about Mrs. Benson since he did not believe he had ever met her.
Is the new (spooky) standard that we cannot use the names of the dead in any context? Your posting is so strange that I believe you are one of the council. (The one that's only occasionally in touch with reality.)
I am concerned about Humphry Park and kids falling from the second level of the new structure. I called Parks and Recreation and was told that the insurance company approved it and if I was worried about my 6 year old, I should be going up there with him. I was also told that I was speaking to the person "in charge" so I basically hit a dead end.
I know I am right, it is not safe.
Who can I contact? What can I do?
anon 12:58,
I would call Mike Fowler from Public Works. He is the top guy and Mike is one person who is very good at listening to people's concerns. 432-6100
I bet we could hire good competent people to repalce 75 percent of the town employees in less then a month. Most would work without a union , they would just be happy to have a job.
Stop given the union hacks my money, tell them you got a contract it stays the same as it was with no raise a higher cost to them for health ins. no buy backs, if they don't like it tell them to take a walk.
High unemployment is usually a wage killer, I know that it's that way at most private co. the town should be no different.
Who ever said a town job = lifetime employment for life.
All I know is I would rather pay a person union wages and have skilled labor and hardly any turnover than your regular turn of the mill burger flipper protecting my Family in this town. I am proud and feel lucky to have the people who work for this Town Police,Fire,Public works... They are hard working dedicated people that take time and pride in there jobs and are not home on there asses all day complaining like you.
99 percent of us support the employees. Unlike the 2 percent you that bashes them.
BC,
New game in town.Lets call a saftey meeting about Grandview Fleamarket.All these years of pocket book heaven and now we need 3 cops directing traffic and guarding the counterfit pocket books.
How about sending one State Trooper into that joint and arrest the chinese counterfitters and people selling that illegal junk and you won't have any traffic.
OH, I forgot the almighty dollar for three cops and saftey on Sat and Sun.Thats more important than keeping biker gangs out of town on weekends.
Welcome to Derry NH. Open pipes on motorcycles and counterfit pocketbooks.
2:57
Because some one joins a union does not mean they are "skilled labor"
In fact many skilled laborers will not choose to join a union because they would be suppressed under union rules.
I have found union workers to only do what their "job is" and no more.
I was wondering if anyone else had an issue with our law enforcement being used to help the sale of illegal counterfit merchandise.
Chief Garone and the NH State Police should be in there confiscating and burning all those counterfit bags, not out there helping these large groups of illegal retailers from South of the border - Haverhill, Lawrence, Lowell- anyone notice how many of these vendors have MA plates on their mini-vans.
Most can't even speak english - perhaps the INS would like to join in on a fleamarket raid. On the other hand legit businesses like Clam Haven are benefiting from all the customers! But turning a blind eye to illegal commerce is something our police force should not be doing.
What's the property tax value on Grandview? Perhaps it should be raised - they sure seem to be doing a great business!
Gotta love the internet - that is what is driving the crowds at the flea market. Just google fake handbags and Grandview Fleamarket. You'll get all sorts of sites and discussions on where to go for Fake Handbags - Grandview! Here's a sample from one site -
"This place is CRAZY!!! I have never seen so many fake hand bags in my life! Most of the stock is made up of Coach bags with some Juicy Couture, Gucci, D&G mixed in. What I liked were the matching Coach scarf and hat sets for $16, and pashminas for $6. The Tiffany jewelry is so shiny you can tell it is not real silver, but it's not terrible. "
Someone needs to shut them down. What good is this doing for Derry -nothing but causing traffic problems at a busy intersection on busy weekends.
Like I have said numerous times BEFORE you start running your mouth get your facts straight and do some research.
1. The cops are being paid by Grandview I asked them the Captain there this weekend.
2. The Town Unions Employee's are very hard workers and take pride in there job and do well beyond what there contracts call for.
3. I have read all the posted contracts over and over and still do not see lifetime employement.
4. Coyle has better benifits then they all do.
5. The unions in this country stood up for us and fought what we all got a decent wage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's right 1:39, if you spot anyone prospering screw them with taxes.
Whether or not the police are paid by Grandview does not matter.
So if you pay a police officer to stand guard at your party it is OK to sell illegal drugs there or have an underage drinking party?
If the Police know there is illegal activity going on they are supposed to act whether or not their fat overtime check is being paid by the perpetrator! What's next open sale of illegal drugs at Grandview as long as they pay for Police Details. Counterfit merchandise hurts the economy.
I agree; I don’t think the Grandview Flea Market is the "image" that Derry wants to tout. I’m usually not looking for a conspiracy theory under every rock but how much business does Clam Haven get from the flea market?
In Dec 2007 the Police raided a Salem NH fleamarket where all these vendors used to sell their goods. Now they just moved to Derry. Time for another raid - Chief!
http://www.eagletribune.com/punewsnh/local_story_336233713.html
Local police do not have jurisdiction onthe conterfit stuff sold in there it is FBI do your homework again like I did. Also they are not protecting Grandview they are there to help with traffic.
Annoymous 5:09.
Read the news papers or watch tv once in a day instead of running your trap. What are the wounderful unions doing for the 21000 people and all the Pontiac dealers in the USA. HEAR IS SOME FACTS.
YOUR WONDERFUL UNIONS ARE DOING NOTHING.
They took money from these emplyees for 5 decades and now, no jobs. Tell us all some more union facts annonymous 5:09
5:09 either you are not too bright or you think we are fools. The contracts don't have to say lifetime employment, they can simply prohibit layoffs and prohibit outsourcing and it has the same effect. Please explain how the town can get rid of a fireman that was hired in say 2000 short of having the person found guilty of some serious criminal act. If the town can't, then they have "employment for life". Stop BSing us.
1:04 Comrade, we will see how the unions do. The government, (not to be confused with OUR government), just propose a deal where the United Auto Workers will own 55% of Chrysler. Ah, our tax dollars at work. Shows that the Derry town council, giving lifetime employment and 9% raises during a recession, is guilty of thinking small.
Just goes to show how small 1:09 ans 5:09 minds really are. I say we put more money into our schools for reading and the Drama club cause all they seem to do is keep spreading things that are not true. Still claiming lifetime employement and now 9% percent raises. Read all the contracts again still do not see lifetime employement or 9% percent raises
Brian,
What is the police department's plan to clean up the mean streets of Derry?
Every week I read horrfic stories about Derry in the paper and I never see a related article from our Chief on how he plans to stop the violent crime and drug problem.
Do we have a drug task force or under cover detectives?
It would be reassuring to know that the police department is at least trying to stop some of this nonsense.
BC, please respond to this and let us know what is being done.
Tom Cardon
Anyone else out there receive telemarketing calls from the Derry Fire Local 4392 every month or so requesting money for one charity or another?
Just wanted to say hello all. This is my first post.
I came to learn a lot here.
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