This post will make some people very upset and I can fully appreciate that fact because of all their hard work and great effort into getting the Town of Derry a bike path that would connect with the town of Windham's'.
However we are in an economy like no other and with the last couple of town council meetings discussions talking about possible lay-offs, hiring freezes and freezes in overtime as well as a demand of our town administrator to come in with a 0% increase, how can we in good conscience spend $225,000 on a bike path at this time?
It just does not make sense does it???
I would not want the efforts of the bike path committee and the hard work in raising the other money go unnoticed either, however it can wait until the economy is much better don't you agree.
The right thing to do here is for the council to rescind the vote that gave them the $225,000 and use this money to lower the taxpayers tax rate for next year. Could you just imagine that the town administrator comes in at 0% tax increase for next year and then we use the $225,000 to actually LOWER THE TAX RATE.
What are your thoughts on this! agree? disagree? and tell us why!
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I think this is a great idea !!
Its something most of us do with our household budgets, and its good to see government actually thinking of its citizens.
I agree with Just another poor Derry Taxpayer 100%. In the quake of financial uncertainty would we rather have a bike path NOW or safe a Town worker from a layoff. Lets face it if tough cuts are coming this is easy as its not a need but a nice to have. We have to also think of the other town cost associated with this project.
I agree the bike path should wait, but I'm having a hard time believing they would use the $225k to lower our tax rate next year. That I will believe when I see my bill.
Let's get the TIF and 4A money back first.
What difference would it make in our taxes? $5-10$? I would rather have the path for the kids.
anon 9:25,
It would be about .15cents per 1000 of value on your home. So on a $300K home about $45 savings!
Anon 5:00,
Too late! The $500K spent on engineering costs is already gone and spent. 4A money as well.
The bike path money is still there however there is a rush to spend it.
BC - at $45, its worth completing the path. Its a worthy cause.
I think that we have bigger fish to fry. At least we, as the town's population, will get something out of the bike path.
The bike path is something that should totally wait until better times. We are actually talking about laying off folks and we want to dump $225K for something that is at best seasonal. I'd rather see the cash go towards maintaining staffing or other programs in the town. A bike path is something we have done without for all these years and the world hasn't come to an end. I don't see any issue with holding off a little while longer. The bike path is a place where we should start when looking at the "difficult cuts" that need to be made going forward. Don't kill the idea, just wait on it.
A knee-jerk reaction at this point is the wrong one.
Let me get this straight. Instead of investing money to attract people to our town, you want to try and stop this effort, thereby preventing the enjoyment of the town by outsiders.
It's exactly this kind of short-term closed-mindedness that has put the downtown in the situation it is currently in.
Perhaps, instead of seeing the little picture, a town councilor could, for once, have a vision of what this town could really become.
We look to our town councilors for leadership. Perhaps you could actually be one, and rather than keep asking "how can I lower taxes", you could actually wonder "how can I make Derry a better place to live and work".
I've never heard of anyone moving to a town because they have a bike path. I have seen people move because public services get cut though. Our downtown is in the shape it is in because there isn't any parking and the few places that go into that area aren't right for the make up of the town. It is wrong for the town and towns people to make a case that we are in tough times and then go toss $225K at a bike path that can only be used certain times of the year. Don't kill the idea, just put it lower on the to do list.
The fact remains that the money set aside for the bike path was ear marked for economic development and not for the general fund. Why aren't you asking to recover the other $225K from that fund for the property acquired downtown at the same time the DRTA funds were appropriated?
Hundreds of people have contributed their own money to help the town fund this project through the efforts of the DRTA.
The town council gave the DRTA 3 years to reach the goal of coming up with the rest of the funds to complete the project. In just one year we are within sight of that goal. In spite of the current economic climate, citizens are still sending checks to the DRTA for fundraising--we sold nearly 200 tickets for the Christmas Bike Raffle THIS DECEMBER!!!
Stop being so short-sighted and understand the true value of what you are asking to derail. The citizens of this town want the bike path. And in times like this that value is even greater to the community.
And stop trying to make it sound like we're taking tax money out of the pockets of Derry residents for this trail. ALL donations to the DRTA are TAX DEDUCTIBLE. All of the grant money we have raised has come from private funds.
The more people we attract to Derry only increase taxes and causes congestion.
Downtown has already taken millions $$$ from our taxpayers so lets shift gears and think outside the box for awhile.
Most downtown areas are not frequented by majority of citizens anymore since the advent of the automobile and urban sprawl. Lets stop wasting money on old thinking.
I frequent the bike trail at times and do not find many others on it. Its a limited number of people that ride so throwing money at the trail only benefits a handful.
Here is the biggest bang for the buck!!:
To have an effect on everyone, stop wasting tax-payers money and lower our taxes. Everyone benefits this way. $45 is a good start.
However if someone wants to forfeit their $45 then send a check to the Tax Collector as a donation, just don't make all of us have to pay the $45 in our tax bills too.
erich,
I did say in the blog that some people would be upset at the post and I know you and some others have worked very hard. I can appreciate that. I also agree with you on bringing up the other money ( 225K) on the downtown land that was earmarked as I did not vote for that either. I agree that this money came from the economic dev capital fund and never said it is coming from any new taxes, I did say that we could use that money to offset any increases in taxes for next year though. Simply said again, I have nothing bad to say about the path. I just can't see spending this kind of money in such bad times. Its kind of like saying I have a leaky roof that must get addressed however I could use the money to go on a pleasure cruise to Cancun.. PS. I think you and the group are doing an outstanding job in raising private funds and I comend you all for doing so.
I understand your position. But even mentioning the rail trail funding in a blog about taxes leaves the impression that we're somehow making the tax problem worse. I do not think that's fair and I do not think taking back that money will have any where near the benefit to the tax payers you think it will. Please remember that I too am a tax payer in Derry. I am not immune to the problem.
Brian, the reality is that in raising the issue to take this money back, you're really asking for the destruction of the DRTA and the project. The current economic climate means there are no other likely sources of such funding and the grants we have are contingent on raising the rest of the money also. So I appreciate your praise of our efforts but it's all pretty shallow when you consider the consequences of what you propose.
I wish people who speak against our project had the courage to use their names. The facts about the benefits of rail trails to communities are well documented.
One of the unique things about our project is that we're doing this in partnership with the town. We're not sitting by the sidelines telling the town what it should be doing--we're working together. If that happened just a little more often in Derry rather than this long history of flat out conflict with everything then just maybe more would get done and people wouldn't be so crabby.
Happy New Year!
I'd think that in economic downturns with more people sticking closer to home the bike path is exactly the kind of projects that should move forward. I've lived in town my entire life (56 years) and think its a shame the way the town chose to develop (or not develop) the community and although we can't unring the bell we can certainly choose our destiny from here on in. Why is it that you can't see Derry truly being "the place to be"? Why is it that we'd prefer to send our citizens to other communities to boost their local economies rather than trying to boost our own? Is there a reason that we don't want to engage our residents? You're right poor Derry Taxpayer; downtowns were not frequented by the majority of citizens; malls put them out...in the 70's. With the advent of the internet and internet sales at an all time high malls are on their way out and downtowns are making a come back. I'd rather take my family to a main street than to a mall any day. We all know that taxes in town are never going to go down; give people a reason to want to live here despite the high taxes. Build a skate board for the kids; have a few festivals. My kids are older and no longer at home and I will most likely never use the bike path but it seems like a proactive step in Derry's development. Frankly I'm sick of my high tax dollars going for basic services only. IMHO of course.
Lets remember one thing. This blog is here to share ideas and speak ones mind. Its great getting different viewpoints from everyday people on how things in town effect us all. If anything, this blog is bringing the issue to light for discussions. I encourage more people to speak their minds and let us know how you feel.
First I'd like to thank the town for paving the street now know as Courthouse Lane. I've already walked/cycled/driven it a few times and it makes getting to the downtown easier. Also, I'd like to thank the town for paving part of the bike path that goes into Hood Park. Having a paved path makes it more navigable by less experienced cyclists and usable by skateboards/roller skates.
I think having the path connect to Windham will be an asset for our town. I've been on the Windham trail a bit and it seems to get a fair amount of use. Currently, there are not a lot of businesses adjacent to the trail, but when the trail is paved to Derry, then it will connect right into our downtown. I get the impression that Windham is a more affluent community than Derry, and it would be beneficial to give the Windham folks a new mechanism to spend money in Derry.
Also, with the price of oil way down, isn't this a good time to be doing infrastructure projects like this paved bike path?
Do you think that the spandex warriors that ride out in traffic now in the "Tour De Derry" are going to use this $225K bike path? We are talking about cutting town services and people actually want to see this project go forward right now? Don't speak for all the citizens of this town when not all of them support your cause. I would assume that the 200 raffle tickets sold for the bike would be about the right number of people who would even care about a bike path. Don't forget folks this project would also need up keep.
I think I hear a choir singing in the background! Someone in this town actually thinking about the hardship of the taxpayers, hallelujah!!
I've lived here for 17 years and as soon as the economy improves will sell and get out. Had enough of groups like DRTA with their hand out. The list is endless, Taylor Library, Exit 4A, New Fire stations, a Gym in the Police station, TIF's,...
Meanwhile I'm at $250 per week for taxes and counting.
Please, please put these expenditures on hold till the economy improves. Then those of us that are most burdened by these ridiculous causes can GET OUT!
I sure miss the old NH before it was invaded from the south.
Brian,
Are you really that bored with the real estate slump that you are once again going to go after the best thing happening in town at this point.
At least get your facts straight. The money allocated came from the Ash Street Economic Development fund money - money restricted to just this type of project. It is not going to be used for any kind of tax relief even if it was taken back. Not to mention that $225,000 would not make much of a dent.
Also, let me ask you what other project in town can currently boast that is getting a dollar for dollar match of private money for every dollar the town puts in - and it is to improve a publicly owned piece of property!!!
The residents and businesses in your district have the most to gain from this project - if I represented your district I'd be banging the drum for people to help support this project - not taking potshots at it. Your constituents should be lining up to vote you out! Same as the Manning Street extension - start using your head and supporting what is good for the town and the people and businesses in your district and quit trying to instigate situations with your fellow councilors and make headlines!
And since you really don't support the project why don't you go ahead and take the DRTA URL off your blog.
My guess is you'll be there first in line to cut the ribbon and get in the newspaper when this project is done.
its apparent the pro bike posts are from the 200 bike riders and the anti bike trail posts are from the remaining 34,000 Derry residents.
Do the math, its a no brainier. The bike trail should have never been approved to begin with. Same as 4A, TIF etc.
No,the money should not be taken back. First of all, anyone who thinks that this money will actually be given back to the tax payer is very naive. Second, the Rail Trail has the potential to make money for Derry. If the
trail is made and maintained well (like the highly popular Windham Rail Trail)people will be able to walk to dowtown from their neighborhoods via the trail and generate badly needed business in dowtown. Derry should also follow examples like Pelham who is adding and ice skating rink to their downtown area. Things like the trail and the rink would make Derry a more community oriented and
desirable place for families to move to. Thirdly, even if you do beleive that the money would go to the taxpayers if you divide up the $225k among all the taxpayers in Derry, how much money are you really talking about per household?
And what would it say about the integrity of the council who issued the grant? Next time any money is granted, organizations will be spending the money in
haste because now they know at any time the council can just change their minds and take the money back!
As a family of four who LOVES the Windham Rail Trail, we would definitley use the Derry Rail Trail to take us right into downtown Derry, maybe have lunch, go to the library, watch a parade, attend a festival or something else that would benefit our town. Less pollution, less traffic and saved gas money to spend in Derry makes sense. Not to mention good old-fashioned exercise. Shame on anyone trying to prevent a safe environment for us to stay in shape and enjoy our town. We're trying to set good examples for our two young sons. Please let the Derry Rail Trail be and find savings someplace else.
Seriously Brian, you have got to be kidding. Do you ever study a topic and draw the right conclusion?
Or does everything need be political with you?
Stop trying to sell your morph as a "fiscally prudent" councillor on the back of a worthwhile project that has big bang for the buck, you forget your voting record preceedes you.
At its surface, it is obvious to everyone paying attention, that you're once again attempting to use the bike path as a self serving means of political payback directed against those councillors that had the vision to "push" for and support the path. What's funny is how its most outspoken council proponents coincidently happened to be on the other side of your misguided and failed attempt to keep Manning Street as an unfinished symphony.
The completion of Manning Street has proven, and the development of the Derry bike trail will prove to serve the best interests of Derry.
So do us all a favor and pipe down. Go sit in the corner of a round room. You and the rest of the current council have much larger systemic issues to grapple with that have resulted from how this town was run for years that far predate the impact of the current economic environment.
Once again Brian, you've got to be kidding. You actually are proposing going back on a 6 to 1 vote? The council did the right thing appropriating $225k for a time and again proven community assets' development. After having witnessed the millions upon millions of Derry taxpayer dollars wasted on more hare-brained, half assed schemes than I care to go into, most of which you, Brian, signed on to, I think it best you rely upon the vision of the towns citizens that are devoting time and money to this project. In this instance, your political vision has made you too blind to see.
the bike path funding should be left alone. the windham section is busy everyday. I see lots of families every weekend. It would be great asset to Derry. I've lived in Derry 22 years, I don't ever remember anyone saying the economy is great, let's invest in infrastructure.
The reason why we haven't been able to market the downtown all along is because we didn't have a bike path! I get it now! Give me a break people! I would be shocked if 200 people cared about this issue. I bet that you would find 20 times that number that would rather put the project on hold or do away with it all together. Make the motion BC to put a hold on all town projects or atleast a review of them so that we get the best bang for our buck.
I find it hard to believe citizens are just chomping at the bit, waiting for the bike trail to be updated so they can get exercise, go downtown and shop etc.
Somehow when I go to MCD or DD I see people sitting in a drive-thru line for 15 minutes rather than park walk inside and get their order.
I walk in when I encounter this condition and drive away with my order while the same people are still in the drive-thru line.
From my recollection there is currently a bike trail to ride or walk on, it just is not paved at some areas.
Last I knew it was safe to walk or ride on dirt with the correct type of bike.
True thin tires may have some difficulty on soft gravel but $225k for someone to play on their bike is absurd.
We should invest in infrastructure that is going to benefit everyone instead of a select few. The truth is, this isn't going to be a one time hit for $225K. Those trails are going to need to be maintained for the life of them. We will be lucky to get six months of use out of those trails a year. There will have to be fall and spring clean up along the path and that will fall on the Rec Department I would assume. That will have some sort of impact on their spending for the year. We are looking to lessen the burden on spending right now and it just doesn't make sense for something that will not be of use to everyone in town. The next item will be to have the PD patrol the bike path or to have emergency call boxes along the path. This isn't just a one time build it and it is done project. It would be nice to have a set up like Windham but we just can't swing it right now. Keep the public funds that people have donated to and keep adding to it and sooner or later perhaps the project can be funded that way. As it stands now, it is too much for the times we are dealing with.
Get a grip people, I didnt say the trail would totally revitlize the downtown area and I dont think any one thing will. However, it is a positive step towards the remaking of downtown and trying to generate more business. It is my understanding that the trail would be maintained by the Rail Trail Alliance organization not the town.
And just because YOU prefer the drive thru's and dont know any healthy people who would use the trail does not mean that they dont exist. Instead of knocking the trail and insulting the people who want this, why dont you try and come up with some positive ideas for the town?
10:14
Here is a positive idea.
Let the Rail Trail Alliance organization be 100% in charge of the trail, including upgrading it.
Charge a nominal fee for Derry residents to use it as it is on town property.
BTW I also ride the trail and frequent parking way at the end of parking lots to make my trip into an establishment and exercise benefit. I do not need to pay money to exercise. Hard physical work is great too.
I also ride on the streets both in the rural and downtown areas of Derry and other towns. I find this type of riding beneficial as I get to see the town and its people. I often take grandkids too.
No, I do not wear spandex, I am just a plain olé citizen.
If the trail will be as popular as you say it will be then it will become a haven for criminals to rob the riders. It is too secluded.
Then again as mentioned we will eventually have police patrol it on bikes then emergency call centers with refreshments. Then access roads for ambulances for those that get hurt on the trail.
It is my understanding that walking or riding on uneven terrain will actually increase the amount of exercise an individual would get on a path.
People that want to walk on a path shouldn't care if it paved or not. Here's a newsflash... we have sidewalks all over town for people that want a paved surface to walk on and hundreds of paved streets. For everyone else, there are dirt trails.
Has anyone from Derry ever been to Auburn, NH? Auburn has hundreds and hundreds of miles of, get this, dirt trails. Nobody wants those paved. And guess what... they are used by thousands of people every year, all year long.
For people that want to walk on a paved surface to the downtown because they think it is good for their health and business, park at the boys club and walk down the sidewalk all the way the rec. building and back again. You'll get the same effect.
Here's another idea. I know this will sound strange to some of you, but I'll try anyway. Use the Rockingham Trail, which is unpaved, and walk/run as far as you want. It goes all the way to the ocean. An yes there are even little areas to stop and have a snack or buy a water. You can access this trail from multiple streets in Town.
I guess my whole point is that spending this money may only be about $45 more in everyone's taxes, but if we keep saying yes, before you know it we'll have 10 more projects just like this and our taxes will rise $450. If people want free exercise in the great outdoors, the opportunity is already there. Paving a sidewalk through the woods is not going to draw in more people. My guess is that most of the supporters of this project are probably being led to beleive that this will be a brand new trail, even though it already exists.
So, if you feel that the trail should be finaced 100% by the organization then you should also agree that only people over 65 should pay for a senior center and only people with kids should have to pay for the schools etc... And I dont know what part of Derry you live in, but if you think there is going to be so much criminal activity going on in the trail then maybe you should be organizing a neighborhood crime watch instead of blogging. How about we pave over every park and recreation area in Derry and put up some nice safe buildings? No more ballparks no more lake areas and that way it will free up all those police patrols and ambulances.
So much for not insulting people NancyA. Not everyone prefers drive thru's that don't agree with your cause here. I own my own exercise equipment and maintain a gym membership without looking for the towns folks to pick up the tab. I do feel like the seniors should have a center for them. I also feel that this isn't the time for that as well.
What difference would waiting make - I mean, is it "ever" going to be the right time? Let's just bite the bullet and get that bike path finished already!! Stop making excuses!!!
Hey John the beancounter - it appears to anyone who reads this blog regularly that this post got a whole bunch more people riled up than ever post here.
Glad you are not my accountant/beancounter.
More likely that the score is Brian and 3-4 regular Derry naysayers vs. at least several hundred and likely seveal thousand if not more Derry Taxpayers (based on those supporting the DRTA with donations, signing petitions, etc)-
And sadly enough - a larger majority in this town who just don't care enough to get involved- one needs only look at the involvement in any town activity including the elections to see this.
Do the math. If you take $225K savings and add 8 additional $100K savings well then the town saves $1million dollars. To say a small savings wont help the tax rate is incorrect as everything counts. When they add up they sure do and you have to start somewhere. While the rail has generated needed ebb and flow discussion the thing I worry about it the abilty to attract outside funding when the town "backs out" Spening cuts have to start somewhere maybe not here but lets keep the ideas flowing.
I want to clarify a few points.
IF the council voted to take back the money it will not go towards reducing your taxes.
It is not just a bike trail. It can be used for any non-motorized form of travel including walking, horseback riding, rollerblading,jogging, all of which I have witnessed on the Windham section of the trail. And yes, it can be used in the winter.
No tax dollars are being used for this project. The 225K are proceeds from the development of Ash St Extension and is intended to be used for a project such as the rail trail.
There are groups similar to the rail trail alliance in Methuen MA, Salem, Londonderry, Goffstown, Manchester among others. Succesful trails have been completed all across the country and there is a federal agency, "Rails to Trails Conservancy" that is dedicated to this type of work. You would be hard pressed to find any instance where completion of a trail such as this has impacted negatively on a community.
If you wait for the "right time" to spend the money, you will be in for a long wait.
Currently the trail is isolated and more prone to illegal activity which sensibly would be reduced with more use. And yes, it would have to be maintained, what is wrong with that? It would be worth it.
I read a lot of reasons why this project should not go forward that dont make sense. Why bother to get up in the morning if you are worried about all that might go wrong. This project is a win/win situation for Derry.
BC,
I say use the money for the bike path.Its one thing the kids will enjoy.They dont enjoy their parents because we are away from our homes 14 hrs a day feeding this wonderful spending machine we call the place to be, Derry.
We paid for a business man to bring business to Derry and he opened his own in Hooksett.
We paid for exit 4a studies,traffic studies,ladder truck givaways for 10 k,500 hrs. a year time off packages for town employees,all kinds of union goodies,fire-house giveaways,work-out center enrollments,buying another ambulance ,outside firms doing accessing when we already have a handsomely paid accessor.There is not enough internet space to mention all the wasted spending .
Bottom line is 90 per cent of decisions made in the last 20 yrs. have had an opposite effect on the town and the taxpayers.
Build this bike path and keep this money from getting into the greedy little hands of "DERRY SPENDING MACHINE".
280.00 dollars a week for town taxes and growing.
anon 11:43,
You said " let me clarify a few points. If the town took back the money it would not go torwards reducing your taxes"
If a motion is made and carries a majority- It would in fact go to reduce your taxes!
Nancy A, About 15yrs ago, a woman passed away in town (I dont remember her name) but her family raised about $10,000 to be donated to a town Ice skating rink. I donated. The idea fizzled and the money was never discussed again. (Brian, can you find out where it went?) There is a very small ice skating area a AC park that is flooded to freeze. Not an ice skating rink in my eyes.
However, my point is if the town takes the money back for this then I think that they should take back any money given to any charity, any other group and they should drastically reduce funding to the Special Needs program in town. Increase usage fees for the private soccer, football and chearleader programs. Using the logic, not everyone plays soccer, football, cheerleads or is Special needs so let charge those who use the services.
Not to be mean but If you take away from one your should take away from all.
Anon 3:27,
I wouldn't know where to start. As far as user fees go, eventually we will start to see that in Derry. I don't know how many years out, however if you look at Prop 2 1/2 in Mass from years ago, It is similiar to the tax cap that we have. In Mass, money got so tight in some towns, that they were forced to go to user fees. This could happen in the future right here in Derry.
As far as if you take from one you need to take from all quote- lets turn that around-the town gave to DRTA so now they have to give to...... It works both ways!
anon 2:21, what biz man are you referring to?
jack dowd?
lol, lol!!
now that's funny, jack dowd, a biz man? lol!!!
doesn't he want the town to build a parking garage?
people won't park twenty feet from a storefront and this biz man is pushing a parking garage. lol!!
Wrong again Brian - don't you ever take the time to check your facts - or do you constantly just distort them to fit your "cause du jour" (that's cause of the day by the way).
The town DID NOT give the DRTA ANY Money - no they voted to "challenge" the community to raise enough money to cover the difference between $225,000 and the money needed to complete the trail. Both the town money and any private money raised will be used to improve a piece of public land!!! And the town money is being held in a special account by the town.
This is not "giving money" to one group - this is getting a dedicated group of VOLUNTEERS (who have just as much going on in their busy lives as you) to work tirelessly IN PARTNERSHIP with the town to improve a public space/vertical park for the enjoyment of all Derry taxpayers and their families who wish to use it.
Quit hiding behind your "fiscally conservative" B.S. One only needs to look at how you have voted on the truly "tough issues" where you could have saved the town some real money to see that while you bang that drum - you're marching to a different tune.
anon 11:43:
This is a win win situation as long as we agree with what you want and how you want it. The truth is, if I won the powerball tonight and donated the $225K there will be yearly costs that the taxpayer will have to eat for this project. I'd rather see the town not have to lay anyone off next year instead of having a bike path. There is a good chance that one of the people who might lose their job next year might be one of the people who would be maintaining this trail. I would rather see the town take care of holes in the roads of Derry before paving a path to Windham so someone can rollerblade, walk, run, bike, or big wheel. We have a clock in the center of town right at the corner of West Broadway and Manning St that doesn't work and hasn't in some time. Lets try fixing that before taking on any huge projects.
anon 9:09,
Put down the laughing gas. Where are you getting your information about a parking gagare?? I have not heard this rumor before. And Yes Mr. Dowd is a businessman and has been for many years.
Anon 10:20,
If you want to get technical about it- The town DESIGNATED $225K for the bike path as long as the DRTA raised the remaining balance, it would get this money. Same thing. It sits in a special account which is not touched until 3 years ends or is used if enough funds are raised. Windham did thier trail with no public money BTW. All I'm saying is that while this economy struggles and talk about major cutbacks occur this year, that we pave this bike path with the 225K that is "earmarked". Doesn't look good in my book.
PS I'll stand by my record any day. Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean you should insult others with different view points.
The bike trail is in west Derry,right? Lets take the money back so we can buy more farm land in East Derry.
Brian
Could it be that you are upset because Manning Street has been put through. Have you ever walked the Windham Trail? If you have you will see how much it is used even in the winter. Yesterday there were cross country skiers, people walking dogs, Seniors and others just enjoying the outdoors. We have spent millions on land purchases in other areas of town... and you did not make any noise then...... this side of town - the most populated deserves some open space recreation that all can enjoy for FREE....
The town owns this land and improving upon it would make the most sense. I suggest you go to Windham on a weekend and see the beauty that is there for all to enjoy.... good thing you can't take that away from us or you would..... The people in your district your neighbors are entitled to what other Derry Residents enjoy with open space to walk and breathe fresh air away from dodging traffic along the roads. Safety for walkers and bikers is a good thing for any town.
Certainly other opportunities have passed you by to spend money but you did not speak up....
I am very, very, very dissapointed in you as a town councillor not thinking of his constituants and their passive recreation - Not sure if you will post this but you will at least read this and maybe reconsider your recent actions.
anon 9:47,
"No use in crying over spilled milk" is how the saying goes. I have not said a word about Manning St. People who know me, know that I move on even when something does not go my way. Second,I have stated time an time again that I have nothing bad to say about the idea, in fact I think it is a good one. Privately funded is the best solution however i understand that I may not be in the majority with fellow councilors. That said, The timing stinks! We will expend $225K when we are discussing budget cuts, lay-offs and 0% increases in town admins budget this upcoming budget season. If the ecomony was not in such shambles, I wouldn't of said a thing. Now I feel I must bring it up for discussion. Thanks for your input.
How much money has the DRTA actually raised? Not been promised actually RAISED? Why doesn't the DRTA (a private entity) raise all their own money just like the Derry Demons, Derry Little League, and all the other clubs in town have had to do instead of coming to the town for money? Are they SPECIAL? I would like to see them selling cookie dough or standing in front of Wal-Mart in the freezing cold with a donation can just like all the other special interests have had to do! $45 dollars doesn't seem like a lot of money to some people but in these tough economic times but for some people it means a lot.My pockets are empty.I would like to thank BC for his courage to stand up for this even though it might be unpopular. Where do the other coulcillors stand?
Anon 9:47,
Again you seem to forget that the trail already exists. All of the activities you have mentioned can be done as it stands today.
The money is to pave the trail. There is no need to pave a trail through the woods.
No, I am not a tree hugger. But I can't understand paving the forest. If you want to ride, walk, or rollerskate on pavement; then there are hundereds of miles of paved sidewalks in Derry. The rest of us, as you mentioned in your post, can do just fine on the existing dirt trail.
Let's not forget that Windham raised all monies through PRIVATE funding.
Ask OBAMA for the money. He is going to SAVE US ALL!!!
Brian,
A previous poster mentioned taking back the other money appropriated during this same vote for the money for the Rail Trail - you acknowledged it briefly but seem to be avoiding mentioning it further - could that be because once it was raised as an issue you are now saying "oops" - opened that can of worms - my "friends in town" want that deal done. Maybe you can shed a bit of light on where that deal stands. Has the property been cleaned up - purchased by the town - for what?, etc. etc.
As for you post of "not crying over spilled milk" and "moving on" - YOU LOST THIS VOTE TOO - so MOVE ON - QUIT CRYING OVER SPILLED MILK!!!
Also- the town money will likely be paid directly from the town to the contractor to do the work - since the bid for this work is being managed by the Public Works Department as this is town owned land.
The DRTA will basically be subsidizing the rest of the money to complete this project. So it is really a nonprofit organization stepping in to help the town - not the other way around.
And this is a resource that is open to everyone - not a private group getting some benefit only for its members!!!
9:47
According to your post, it appears the trail is doing just fine without the paving. People skiing, walking etc.
Thanks for reminding us there is no need to pave it.
As for the poster saying raise it all like the Demons, Little League, Soccer etc.
First of all the DRTA is out there raising money from a number of sources. See the webstie www.derryrailtrail.org for details.
Second, let's point out that these teams all play on town owned property - and the Town (ie: you as a taxpayer) have spent and continue to spend plenty on these fields.
And unlike the Bike Path you can't show up and play on some of these fields whenever you want - especially during the sport's season - some are even locked. The point is that these other groups do get benefits from the town - and they should!!! The DRTA is working with the town IN PARTNERSHIP - just like these other groups - to make Derry a great place to live!!!
Third, the money these groups raise goes to the activities of their special group - uniforms, tournaments, coaches, referees etc. DRTA on the other hand is raising money to help build something that will be open and used by any citizen that wishes to use it! We're basically helping the town pave a wonderful sidewalk through some of the Town's most beautiful land.
As for paving the forest - we are making it accessible to all! Many seniors, moms with strollers, handicapped folks, etc. can't enjoy this trail at this point.
The pros far outweigh the cons on this project - and it is surprising that a Town Councilor, who should be looking for innovative ways to help improve the town even in these tough times, is trying to derail such a project. Perhaps a bit more creative thinking by this councilor and others would result in other ways that the town could move ahead even in tough times.
It can't all be about "CUTTING" - what about more creative thinking on the Revenue side. Think of this project as a creative Revenue opportunity where the town is getting part of a worthwhile project paid for by private non-tax dollars.
Town governments never have enough money to do all they wish they could - there is unlikely to be a time when Derry is "Rolling in Dough". This project is a win for the Town - tough times or not.
First how much money has the DRTA raised, not promised money,ACTUAL money! Second at the vote to appropriate the money something funny was going on between the land purchase and the railtrail money. The railtrail money was supposed to be voted on first then the land but it was switched so someone could make sure the land vote passed before he voted the railtrail agenda.The money the Derry Demons raised went for a new field with irrigation, bleachers and announcers booth, the money the little league raised went for a new concession stand/announcers booth and field irrigation, the money the soccer clubs raised went to make new fields.THEN the town took them over. AFTER the improvemants were made. The DRTA should do the same thing!!! Get your facts straight.
These days with the worry of GLOBAL WARMING is it really wise to pave another piece of paradise? Wouldn't that just exacerbate the percieved problem? What about the foreign oil/ petro chenicals used to make the pavement?
Erich said it's not like the money is coming out of the pockets of the Derry taxpayers.Where is it coming from.Did it just magically appear? The Ash St redevlopment fund? Whose money is that? I do think that money belongs to the DERRY TAXPAYER.I choose to remain anonymous because I do not wish for my opinion to hurt my business.
You might want to check your facts actually - pretty sure those teams paid for improvements to town owned land - same exact thing as DRTA is doing. Humphrey Park, the property the Ball fields are on, the new soccer fields at Barka, etc, etc, were Town-owned the land these fields are on before these groups helped improve them.
And just FYI - many involved in the DRTA are have also been involved and continue to be involved in these sports groups too - again - citizens who care enough to work hard on their own time and volunteer to make our home town a better place with a better quality of life.
To anonymous
I didn't say it wasn't town owned land. I said the those entities PAID for the IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES then the town took over.
That's what the DRTA should do, Pay for the Improvements Themselves THEN let the town take over.And who are you to question my volunteerism.
Why won't anyone from DRTA respond to anonymous with the amount of actual money not promised money or pledged money?
Look in the town web. Code Library "Article IX Conservation Cooridor. 165-72 Permitted Use. Outdoor Recreation Activities: Providing they do not alter the existing topography". Does not hot top alter the existing topography?? What about the buffer zone that must be maintained around a wetland area. I know I could not hot top next to the wetland my property abutts. How can you hot top in a wetland. Run, walk,ride, bike over the natural topography on the rails east of fordway going south.
I have looked on the DRTA web site but I cant find where it says anything about actual money raised. One thermometer says it has raised $286K but the other one says it has to raise @125k to release the Alexander Eastman Grant
but they have only raised $36k. Well which one is it. Has the DRTA raised ANY actual funds?
It looked to me like DRTA has a $36012 commitment then ads it to $250000 for a total of $286016
I will think they included the town's $225000 in that number
Now we have Enron numbers because if my math is correct there is $25000 that come out of thin air for the $286016 number.
I did not go to college so my math may be off I guess.
I will not contribute one dime as the trail should be in harmony with its environment and hard topping it takes away from this.
I have updated our web site to simplify the fundraising picture. We have raised over $26K in cash and over $260K in pledges and grants. Since the grants and pledges come with conditions on raising the rest of the money, the total money raised is subject to all of the conditions being met. What I was trying to show with the AEF thermometer is how much money we needed to raise for that one grant--which could include other grants. I'm open to suggestions on how else to represent this information.
It is important to note that the "pledged" funds include the $225k from the town, along with the additional $4,000+ donated by the Conservation Commission. This money is being held by the Town in a Special Fund until the remainder is raised.
The Alexander Eastman Foundation has given the DRTA a $25,000 Grant towards the project. It will release the money to the town/DRTA when the remainder of the money required is raised/pledged.
Similarly, the Harvard Pilgrim Foundation has made a Grant award of $5,000.
The DRTA has received other grant money and has additional grant applications pending at this time. We also are in discussions with a number of key local business owners about donations.
This is why it is so important that the Town remain steadfast in its commitment to the $225k promised. Many of these donors and granting organizations are willing to put money into this project precisely because of the public/private partnership approach. Any discussion of the town backing out of the project will damage the fundraising efforts of the DRTA and jeopardize the money committed by these other groups.
The DRTA Board understands the difficult economy we are in - we're out there asking people/foundations/companies to donate to this worthwhile project and we're hearing how tough it is from all sectors. However many individuals, organizations and business leaders realize the value of this project and have been willing to join the town in making this a reality.
We respectfully ask that Mr. Chirichiello rethink his position of trying to raise support to "take back the money".
We'd also like to thank the current councilors who have supported the organization in various ways. These include: Kevin Coyle, Janet Fairbanks, Rick Metts, Brent Carney, Brad Benson & Neil Wetherbee - we look forward to their continued support.
In addition, we again thank former councilor & current State Representative Beverly Ferrante and & former councilor Craig Bulkley for having the vision to vote for funding the project too.
Anyone wishing to donate can do so online with a credit card at www.derryrailtrail.org.
Thank You,
Mark Connors - VP-DRTA
11:40
I visited the website
It would be easier to read if you used at least a 10"cell spacing" on your tables.
I've lived in Derry for over 30 years and lived not too far from the proposed Rail Trail. The idea of paving it like Windham's is a great idea. It would allow year-round use from all sorts of individuals, bikers, runners, walkers, etc. My wife and I have given financial support for the creation of this trail as well.
The trail users now, are illegal OHRV's that have done nothing more than destroy what the railroad left us (a useable cinder path). They harass other users by forcing them off the trail by not slowing down, create dust clouds that make other users unpleasant. The OHRVs have created many ruts and dangerous sections on the trail. There is at the current time at least two large areas of the trail that can't be used after rains due to the creation of low areas (down to the rocks)that maintain large puddles. They have also created a nuisance in the Windham Road, Fordway, Kendall Pond, Bowers Rd, Derryfield Rd areas. They illegally ride on the road causing a nuisance and safety hazards to motorists, pedestrials, etc.
In fact, about 2 years ago, the Fire Dept was continually called out to stop fires near othe trail created by these stupid children, and each year they are called out many times to stop potentially devistating fires. By having people use this trail would in effect stop or moderate these types of activities and might even save some of our tax dollars as well.
I am also a biker and runner that use the streets of Derry for running and biking. To date, I have been hit twice by automobiles that refuse to share the road. I use all of the correct safety equipment and activities, but, it didn't stop me from getting hit. Thankfully, they did not cause any significant physical damage, but getting hit does something to you.
I once was the Treasurer for the Demons, many years ago, and am known as a financially knowledgable individual in town and in the area. All the taxpayers in town support activities that ALL of the taxpayers do not use. Seniors support the schools, middle agers support senior activities, all the taxpayers support the Dog Park (that is mostly use by people from out of town by the way) thru our tax dollars.
The key is to WISELY use tax dollars for the benefit of taxpayers.
If after the path is created, you choose to use it do so, if you choose to use other activities that require no fee (I don't know of too many in Derry) do so. BUT, do not be so short-sighted as to deny the creation of an activity that ALL of the taxpayers in town can use FREE after it's built.
I believe as others do that the downtown section of Derry can only be helped by the creation of this path. Much more so than the continual support of a Dog Park does.
And Anonymous, I don't think that giving elected officials more money to spend will in effect help lower the tax rate. I have seen in the 30 years I lived here a rise in my property taxes from $700 to over $5,700. And what did I get for that, Garbage Pick-up?? Be a man or woman and use a name that we can identify you with, the use of anonymous is cowardly in the extreme!
If DRTA is not even close to having ALL the money yet why should the town release it this spring anyway?
Roger D gave a good summarry detailing why the trail needs the attention we are discussion here. Not to change the subject but when Carol Granfield set up the Dog park it was to be used for Derry residents who have a valid Derry dog registration. When did I miss the change to this program.
Again, The bike path is a GREAT idea but let the DRTA raise the money themselves like the other clubs did.The town can't afford it at this time. We might have to cut the few town services we have now and not have enough policemen or firemen (another one of my favorite subjects)but we will have a really nice bike path. Thats a great way to get people to invest in the town. As for the coward part, I'm glad you have the testicular fortitude to sign your name and not have it affect your business. I cannot afford that luxury either.
I would like to see some one who is not a runner, biker or skier show support of the trail.
So far it is only special interests posting for it.
I clooect stamps and antique cars.
I would like to have the town make a building for stamp collectors and a paved lot for car shows.
I have to agree that in tough times, it might be better to hold off and wait a little on this project. I could see myself using a bike path but not when services may be cut.
I would like to start the Derry Water Skiing Project (DWSP).I would need less than $100,000 to start the project. I only need to buy a boat,water skiis, ropes and various safety equipment. I have already raised $40.00 to start this project and since the town has rights to Beaver Lake I would like to have it there. Afterall the town has the space already.The project would be open to all Derry residents who don't like to walk,run,ski or ride bikes on the rail trail.By seeing this dream come to fruition it could mean a boon to the downtown. Just think of all the business it would generate when we have people from all over the world comming to Derry for national and international water skiing competitions.Hey town council how about it?
If this paving fiasco ever happens the Town will be continually asked to keep dishing out money to the trail people.
There will be numerous complaints about parking issues on the streets so the Town will be asked to buy land and pave parking lots for trail access.
Soon the people will get mugged out there and we will have to bring back the bike cops and hire special details to ride the trail and we'll have to install call boxes which will inevitably be used for pranks will increase the demand for police/fire/ambulance.
Then, due to the increased demand for the services I listed above, The Town will be asked to purchase land and create public safety access points to the trail.
Another question, Derry is still in New England, right? So after three or four winters when the pavement is full of frost heaves, The Town will get even more complaints and be asked to repave the trail.
And to the person who went on a rant about dirt bikes and atv's... here's a reality check for you: They will still illegally ride on the trail, but now they will be able to greatly increase their speed because the trail will be paved! Duh! (Oh ya, more complaints and requests for a police presence on the trail.)
The list can go on and on...
I am a runner and have used both the unpaved and paved portions of the trail. I've seen comments that once the trail is paved it can be used year round. The trail can be used year round now for most activities except for biking, I've been running that path thru the winter for years with no problems. Biking, whether it be paved or not, will not be possible unless someone, I'm assuming the town, would be responsible for plowing also. Everyone is being told that they have to cut expenses. Yeah, you might have money put aside for a vacation but if you are worried about losing your job in this economy, you save the money for an emergency and forgo unnecessary expenses. Paving the bike path is not a necessary expense and can wait. It may not reduce the taxes but if it prevents an increase or layoffs, I think that is more important.
I thihnk the editors of the Derry News got it right - see the link to read the editorial.
http://www.derrynews.com/opinion/local_story_007122523.html?keyword=topstory
Thank you BC for bringing all of this up. I doubt that most of us would've noticed that this project had taken place until it was done. During times like these, we all have to suck it up and wait on things we would like to do vs things we have to do. This is one of those things that we should wait to do.
If you are a regular reader of the Derry News why on earth would you listen to anything THEY had to say. In case you don't know an editorial is someones opinion just like this blog.Just because it comes from a newspaper does that make it more important? If it did why is newspaper readership down so much and why did the Derry News have to go to one printing a week.Did you really believe it when they told you it was because they wanted to become "GREENER"? I think people are getting smarter and realizing that the Derry News is for entertainment value only!
4:23
All the newspapers are for entertainment value only. Readership is down for all of them.
Derry News should not be singled out as a rouge paper.
Give them the money , It's time this town spends some money on something everyone in town can use.
I think we have a lot of adults living in Derry that would like to have some of the money they pay in taxes go to an activity geered toward all not just the kids that live here.
I don't run , bike etc.... but I think it will be money well spent for those who do.
In the past 5 years I have been here I have seen lots of our money wasted on things like the 4A project, the TIFF project on 28, fire and police raises and overtime.
A couple hundred thousand is nothing give it to them and stop crying and move on.
Come budget time cut it out of our over inflated fire and police budget.
Spending ANY money on the rail trail right now is ridiculous. Take the money out of the holding tank it's in now, use it for something meaningful, and then revisit the rail trail issue later on when the economy is in better condition. It might be a year, 2, or 10... who knows. Right now is NOT the time to be bothered spending that money on a trail. If tha alliance wants the trail paved that bad, they'll come up with the money themselves. If they can't do it, than they didn't want it that bad....
Paving a rail trail.... ridiculous.
4:34
Giving people a section of paved bike trail is not something everyone in town can use. Its a bike trail right now as we speak and those that use it are very limited numbers.
If it gets paved there will be a small increase until the novelty wears off, then back to exactly how many are using it now.
On the other hand if each taxpayer got $45 off their tax bill, then, well this is something everyone can use.
Yes, money has been wasted on 4A, TIF, legal opinions etc. this does not mean we have to keep wasting money because we always have.
Lets stop the waste today!!
Fawn Leibowitz? Too funny. Now we have characters from 'Animal House' posting on here. Great work!
Has anyone taken the time to go and check out Vets Hall? This building is old, it leaks, has mold and heating issues. The conditions should be looked at by our Health Dept. I betcha it wouldn't pass the grade. Yet our Parks and Rec. Dept. (and those using the facility) have to work in such a sick environment.
If you want to spend monies wisely, build ONE building that would house both the Parks & Rec. Dept and services the Seniors. As ususal, instead of looking outside the box a group takes one idea (the senior center in East Derry) and runs with it. Why isn't the 'community' coming together on a project like this. Everyone wins, even the taxpayer, but instead we'll be paying double.
For anyone that really wants to make a difference - have your voice heard - the town is hosting an all day planning session on the 24th at West Running Brook to discuss the future of Derry. See town website for details.
I am a taxpayer and I am concerned that someone who has influence over how my tax money is spent is so short sighted and illogical. First of all, the bike path is an investment that will last for years to come(unlike your ill- formed analogy of a trip to Cancun)and will improve the life quality for its residents. A one time $45 savings does nothing for the future of this town and despite the comments of a few, that amount of money for any one family will have no real impact on their quality of life. I could see concern if the town promised millions of dollars to the project, but it did not. This proposed revocation of promised funds is grandstanding meant to tug on the emotions of financially stressed citizens, but in actuality provides no measurable relief to their problems. I agree with others who have commented on the state of the downtown clearly being a result of such shortsighted and narrow thinking. This needs to end and we need to find town leaders who have goals and vision for the future of the town and its citizens. We personally are raising our daughter in this town and I'm pretty disgusted to think that creating a place for citizens to engage in a family oriented, environmentally friendly and health conscious activity is being frowned upon by some of you. No one is threatening to take away the overabundance of fast food restaurants and drug stores you may prefer, but please...let's move on and try to create something positive for the community.
Looks like that planning session is now being pushed back until April.
Pave the bike path or hold off paving it? I want an answer to the bigger question, exactly what economic benefit to the downtown is going to come out of improving the bike path. If you sell cold drinks and sandwichs, you might make a little extra. I can not imagine that people are going to stop and shop in the downtown area. I think that it is ridiculous to think people will. If the DRTA wants the town to spend money on this project, they should have to get 50% of the amount in donations. This is a project to benefit the few, not the many. Have work done on Vets Hall before someone gets really sick and sues the town, costing the taxpayers more. Derry's tax rate is too high now to spend money to benefit the few that want this project pushed through.
10:43
Now you see what people in this town want and do not want.
It is time for you to make a decision as the whether you want to raise your daughter here or find a town that you would like to raise her in, then move there.
In the mean time forget Derry downtown, people do not want to go back in time and shop in a downtown area. Beside even if they did, how would this lower our tax rate of raise our standard of living, it doesn't, plain and simple.
The town might have to cut jobs or ask the employees to take less money or freeze at the current rate. Do you really think that it makes sense to "invest" $225K when we are facing such times? This is bull that this issue is still on the table. It is not just a one time $45 hit on our tax bill. We are going to get stuck taking care of this path thing forever. Sooner or later some nut is going to want to put lights and emergency call boxes along the path because they won't feel safe out there. He's a clue people, NOTHING is a one time expense. If people really wanted the project and were really looking to do what is in the best interest of the town then they wouldn't mind waiting for better times to do this. Don't kill the project, just wait awhile. But lets be honest, it really has nothing to do with what is best for the people of Derry. Maybe 100 of us want this path to go through so that is it. I'd rather see the project dumped if the Rail Trail folks can't see it fit to atleast wait.
I would rather my $$ go to a new home for Parks and Rec.They do an abundant amount of programs for the young as well as the old ALL year round. It is one of the most active places in town. Parking has always been an issue, but it doesn't stop them (Eric B. and staff) from putting together some wonderful programs...ie Trick-or-Treat on Mainstreet and the Very Berry Holiday, Basketball and baseball programs just to name a few. They need a better place, one with efficient heating system (today it was 60 down there), a roof that doesn't leak when it rains or the ice melts.It's an OLD rundown building. Is this how we treat the young families as well as the older citizens in town?
What would it take to get this back in the budget?I know you're screaming, but taxes!!! I believe you would get more back on the dollar with a new facility than a bike path! How many people were out there today using the bike paths? How many people used Vets Hall today?How much money was made today FOR the town threw the activities sponsored by the Rec. Dept. How much was collected from the bike path? Think about it folk!
One more time - this is not a case of the town "donating money" to a special interest group. The town money will not be "donated" to the DRTA - it will be paid by the town to a contractor by the Public Works department to improve a town owned property - just like they would for a new sidewalk.
With the Windham trail completed and the existing Derry Bike Path in place the idea was raised to the Town Council that improving the link between these two great resources (the 2.1 mile section between Windham Trail and Derry Bike Path at Kendall Pond Road) made lots of sense and would provide some real benefits to the citizens and businesses of the town.
The Town Council by a vote of 6-1 decided that this was a worthwhile project - but RATHER THAN FUND THE WHOLE PROJECT - the Council decided to try a unique "public/private" approach by challenging the businesses and citizens of the town and surrounding area to pitch in to see this completed. They put up $225,000 (about half the project money needed and asked the private sector to donate the other half).
The DRTA formed as a nonprofit organization (after this discussion started) specifically to work in partnership with the town on this project. It is not some long standing group of "spandex warriors" as has been represensted on this blog.
We are volunteers who simply see this as a good idea that we believe will help the town and we are giving our time and money to try to improve our community.
The DRTA is raising money ($150,000 in cash) and getting services volunteered (including in-kind Engineering services)to help the town improve a town owned asset for all citizens to enjoy.
As for the Rec Dept. - we are working with the Rec. Dept and the DPW on this project as it will be a great Recreational Resource for the town!
Folks - this is a win-win no matter how you look at it. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation about the project out there. Please take the time to educate yourself on this project - go out see the trail - both in Derry and in Windham - learn about the town council's vote for this money - you can watch the meetings and discussion on the towns Cable 17 TV website- and learn what Rail Trails are doing for communities all across America.
As for the financial impact - will this trail instantly bring in millions to down town - of course not - but studies by the National Rails to Trails Conservancy show that there is a definite measureable increase in business along existing rail trails across the country. Many small businesses have sprung up along these trails and existing businesses report increased business.
Check out the facts at www.railstotrails.org and www.derryrailtrail.org
We'll also be running a photo "tour" of the trail on Derry's Cable TV soon - so keep an eye out.
Thank you,
Mark Connors, VP - DRTA
I too hope the Rec Dept gets a new facility, but I think the initial study on that came in at several million dollars. Hoping it still gets done at some point despite the price tag, but in the meantime adding the bikepath to Derry's Recreational resources seems like a good idea to me. Especially if half of the money is being raised privately. I don't think this is a case of giving the money to the trail rather than Rec and I think the Rec guy actually spoke in favor of the trail when the issue was up for the vote to spend the money.
Still for the life of me I can't understand how paving an existing dirt path will bring in additional business to the Town. Now you have it straight frm the DRTA VP's mouth. That's what he is preaching... It happended somewhere else, so it must be ready to happen in Derry.
I'm sure there are trails in areas that are actually populated. Let's face it, most the areas the want to pave isn't even zoned for business. The current downtown portion is already paved and there is no increase to any business. The downtown already has sidewalks for people to get around on.
This will not increase any business in Derry. The trail has been there for decades. People who want a peaceful walk through Derry can use the trail as it is now.
Give me a break. What a waste!
Did someone mention hiring freeze? Check the agenda for 1/20's town council meeting.
Under New Business
Authorization to Advertise and Fill Positions
• Tax Collector
• Water & Sewer Electrician
• Part Time Health Administrative Support
• Police Officers (3)
A vote was taken to have a hiring freeze. That was 2 weeks ago at the 'last' t.c. meeting.Now let's fast forward... we have a request already on the table to fill positions.I can fully understand the Tax Collector's positions, but the rest? What was the purpose of the vote in the first place?
Why would the T.A. and the H.R. guys do this? It's just throwing it right back in our faces. Do they 'really' care about our town? It's very discouraging.
Did someone mention hiring freeze? Check the agenda for 1/20's town council meeting.
Under New Business
Authorization to Advertise and Fill Positions
• Tax Collector
• Water & Sewer Electrician
• Part Time Health Administrative Support
• Police Officers (3)
A vote was taken to have a hiring freeze. That was 2 weeks ago at the 'last' t.c. meeting.Now let's fast forward... we have a request already on the table to fill positions.I can fully understand the Tax Collector's positions, but the rest? What was the purpose of the vote in the first place?
Why would the T.A. and the H.R. guys do this? It's just throwing it right back in our faces. Do they 'really' care about our town? It's very discouraging.
Headlines in Nutfield News:Council Goes Over Stenhouse’s Head to Impose Hiring Freeze. There was no mention of a P.T. Health Adm. or Tax Collector.The story changes with the wind. The T.A and the H.R. guy sure have a 'nerve' bringing this in front of the council only after a freeze was voted on two weeks ago!
When you get the money back....be sure to give some to the firefighters ........after that ice storm..they diserve every penny !
To Mark Conners
What kind of SPIN are you trying to put on the town donating the money to the rail trail.If you take money from the town for your special project without the promise of paying it back (or is the DRTA going to pat it back hey you could take out a second mortgage)wouldn't that be a donation or you could also call it a gift. Which ever is best to get the project through that a huge majority of Derry Taxpayers don't want!!
I have read all the comments on this post. I am for the paving of the bike trail because i believe it will be an assest to the town. I live in Derry not too far from the current Windham trail and my family and I use this trail numerous times. I stop when I get to the Derry side. I would love to see a trail paved to the downtown, I would use this trail. There are several businesses downtown that I would frequent more often because of the proximity to the trail. This is money that is already in the bank waiting to be used. It will not affect our tax dollars. In the meantime I am sure or hoping that the DRTA continues it's fundraising and doesn't stop at the magic the town has flagged for them. (225,00) They should continue to raise as much as possible. use the whole three years if you have to. No one says the trail needs to be paved today, you have 3 years!
As far at a new Rec Hall, didn't the town try to have a partnership with the seniors in town to help build one? I don't know, if anyone could clarify that. I would appreciate it. If that is true and the town did not jump at this oppurtunity them shame on them.
9:37
How much money do you figure you will drop in downtown Derry each year for ice cream cones, etc?
Maybe $100 tops. What happens in a few years after your children become teenagers and do not want to ride the trail? We lose that $100 heh. How much of that $100 actually would go to the Derry tax collector? Maybe $00.0001.
The math does not add up for us.
$225,000 to get $00.0001 :-(
We have options.
If they don't approve the money for the bike trail or put it off to a later date like they do with everything in town and you want the trail just hold of paying your taxes for a few months.
Let them run the town with the rain day fund for a few months.
I know I'll have to pay some extra intrest but it's peanuts and would be worth the message it would send.
It would only take about 10% of us to hold the tax before the town caves.
anon 4:13,
You can give it a shot, however I would not recommend doing that. First, you will be paying an interest penalty of 1 1/2% per month. I don't know of any bank paying 18% interest in these times. Second, the town has about 13 Million in the reserve so I think the town will be ok. We also have "credit" of up to 90 Million if we so choose. And finally the town just slaps a lein on your home till you make good. So all in all i think you better think of a better way.
4:13
I rather everyone hold off paying their taxes because $225,000 will be wasted in bike trail paving.
Notice I emphasized paving because the impression otherwise given is "without this we have no bike trail"
Anon 6:55,
BC just gave the firefighters $880 while people are losing their jobs and homes.
Better run cities and towns have cut positions and cut hours across the board. But not in Derry.
Give more money to the fire fighters? NFW!
Besides, the real work was done after the ice storm by the true unsung heros, the line workers that were out there 24/7 and the town highway department.
Our fire fighters deserve MORE money? Now that's funny. NOT another penny.
what is the latest on the bike trail?
I see the town has just put out a bid for bike path improvements:
"Sealed bids will be received at the Public Works office, 14 Manning St, 2nd Floor, Derry, New Hampshire until 10:00 AM on MAY 26, 2009 for the Bike Path Improvements 2009 Project.
Plans, Specifications, and Bid forms may be obtained at the Derry Municipal Center, Second floor, 14 Manning Street, Derry, New Hampshire 03038."
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